In this free-for-all-Friday Trent explores cases of people who claimed to live for years inside of prolonged dreams.
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Trent Horn (00:00):
It is Free For All Friday. Welcome to the Council of Trent. On Mondays and Wednesdays, we talk apologetics and theology. Friday we talk about whatever I want. And there was a phenomenon that I came across recently that I found utterly fascinating that I would like to share with you. So do you have very vivid dreams? I mean, I have them. Dreams really fascinate me. Scientists aren’t entirely sure why we dream. They think it has something to do with the fact that our brain has to repair itself at night when we sleep. It heals itself from everything has to do during the day. And when the brain is stimulated in this way, the neurons are firing, the synaptical connections are going. It produces these images for us to examine. So it really is fascinating how it does that because if you stay awake long enough, you will die.
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They’ve tried to do sleep experiments where people stay up as long as they can. Now they don’t do those anymore because they’re highly unethical because they’re really, really dangerous. You need to sleep or you’ll die. In fact, if you just try to stay awake, your body’s just automatically going to go to sleep at some point. And so you dream. And so the dreams we have, there’s certain dreams that I’ve had in life that are just so, so vivid. They just seem so real. And it’s weird. You’ll go to sleep at night and sometimes you’ll feel like you’ve spent a lot of time in a dream or done things in a dream and you wake up and you’re like, oh, it was just a few hours. Although I think a part of it is it’s your brain filling everything in when you wake up. I always wonder what is the difference between what I dreamed and then when I wake up, when I try to remember what I dreamed, how much does the brain really fill in?
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But here’s a very interesting phenomenon. Some people who are in comas for a long time, for weeks or for months at a time in a comatose state, they will describe having lived in a very prolonged dream. So we have our dreams, we remember them however, what duration they have, but we’ve only sleeping for seven or eight hours, eight hours I wish. I’m a bad boy who stays up way too late, putzing around, reading things on the internet, doing a little bit of last minute work and then up and early in the morning. I wish I got my full eight hours in. I really should. But imagine if you were in a sleep-like state for months at a time. So here’s an article that I wanted to share with you. For many people, dreams vanish within minutes of waking, but for some coma survivors, dreams become entire worlds.
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Emotionally rich experiences that seem to last months, years, or even decades inside the mind. These reports have fascinated neurologists, psychologists, and the public alike because they blur the line between dreaming, memory and conscious experience. And so here is the example that I came across that it does seem legit, like it’s not just being made up. And so it’s sad also when I think about if someone went through what this was. So let me read it to you. One of the most striking recent examples is that of Clelia Verdier, a 19-year-old woman from Leo France. After a medical crisis in 2025, Verdier was placed into a medically induced coma for about three weeks. When she awoke, she reportedly asked doctors and relatives about her three daughters. The problem was that the children did not exist. She doesn’t have any children. During the coma, Verdeer experienced what felt like seven years of life in an alternate reality where she fell in love, became a mother to triplets and watched them grow.
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She later described vivid sensory memories, including the pain of childbirth, everyday family routines, and the grief of losing one of the children shortly after birth. The emotional aftermath was devastating because to her mind, the experiences felt completely real. It goes on to say, “Verdeer’s experience is unusual, but it is not unique. Across medical literature and survivor testimony, people recovering from comas frequently describe elaborate dream narratives. Some report living entire alternate lives while others recall surreal journeys, conversations with deceased relatives or worlds governed by dreamlike logic. One famous internet account often referred to as the lamp story came from a man who claimed that after being knocked unconscious, he experienced years of married life with children before noticing a lamp that appeared visually distorted. So these stories are wild. That reminds me a lot of inception, right? Christopher Nolan’s movie Inception. You go into a dream state.
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Although whenever movies portray dreams, that’s never like how I think of dreams. So in inception, you’re going around and the dream world is 99.99% indistinguishable from the real world. It basically is the real world until you notice some weird thing. Usually you have to take something in that’s odd. They called it in the movie a totem. And for Leonardo DiCaprio’s character, it’s a top that doesn’t topple over when you spin it. And when you spin it for him, that’s the way he knows that he’s in a dream. He’s not in the real world. And then there’s a famous ambiguity at the end of inception when he’s spinning his top wondering, oh, am I back home with my children in the real world or is it a dream and the top’s moving? But we don’t know if it falls down or not. So this is interesting that someone had a similar occurrence like that they described online where the world seemed correct, but the lamp was off.
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So according to the story, the strange lamp triggered the realization the reality was an illusion after which he awoke to discover only that minutes had passed. Although the account is anecdotal, impossible to verify medically, it became widely discussed because it echoed many themes seen in documented coma dreams, distorted time perception, emotional attachment and grief upon waking. Yeah, because like inception, they have a dream in a movie and it’s basically like real life. When I have a dream, it is just whack a doodle because there’s no logic to it. Your logic centers kind of shut off. So you go from one scenario to another scenario without things making a ton of sense. And when you try to explain it to people, you almost can’t even explain it to people. So that’s why I wonder, I do not think that some of these people like this woman actually spent seven years, seven full on years in a dream living in a world indistinguishable from real life.
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I think that she could have had a lot way, way more dream-like sequences for her brain to process than you and I would because she’s in a coma for three weeks, but the brain fills those in, especially upon waking. I mean, think about our own memories, like how many memories could you conjure of the last seven years of your life? You couldn’t recall every single minute of the last seven years of your life, but you could recall many of the major moments and string them together and play a little mini movie in your mind of what the last seven years were like. And I think this happens in dreams, but to such an extended scale that it confuses you when you wake up. This also reminds me of the TV show, Rick and Morty, where Rick, who’s the grandfather of Morty, his grandson, he takes him on these intergalactic adventures.
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They go to this arcade, it’s kind of like a Dave and Buster’s, an arcade in the galaxy and they play a VR game and it’s called Roy, A Life Well Lived. And you put on the headset and you wake up as a little boy named Roy and you’re like, oh, I had this weird dream mom that I was with a guy and put on a helmet and like, oh, go back to bed. And so the idea is that you wake up as just this little kid and live an entire life within a series of a few minutes in this VR game. And then when the helmet comes off, it’s like, “Where’s my wife? Where’s my children? Calm down, calm down.” What the hell? Where am I? 55 years. Not bad, Morty. You kind of wasted your 30s though with that whole bird watching faith. Where’s my wife?
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Morty. You were just playing a game. It’s called Roy. Snap out of it. Come on. I’m Morty. You’re Rick. Hey, you sold a gun to a guy that kills people. That was just a game that you were in. They play it for laughs, but you think about what if you could enter into a dreamlight state and then use VR and AI to augment these things. That’s something that people might explore later in life as things develop more because you have things like lucid dreaming. So you have the ability to influence the dream that you’re in. So when you combin all of that together, you can just get some really wild stuff. So the article finishes this way. It says, “Neurologists caution these experiences do not necessarily indicate supernatural phenomena or parallel realities. Instead, they reveal how powerfully the human brain can simulate experience. Emotion appears to be especially important.
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People often awaken, not merely confused, but grieving. The loss can feel genuine because the brain encoded those dream experiences with the same emotional intensity attached to real memories. Cases like Chlelia Verdiers continue to attract attention because they challenge ordinary assumptions about consciousness. They suggest that even in states of profound unconsciousness, the mind may still be able to construct detailed inner worlds, worlds vivid enough to leave lasting emotional scars long after waking. So something to consider, especially people who are in persistent vegetative states, who are unconscious for a long period of time that to refer to them. In fact, persistent vegetative state, that’s a term I don’t even like because people are not and never will be vegetables, but treating them with dignity, even if they didn’t have any cognition, they still be human beings worthy of dignity, but to know, well, there could be things happening under the surface that we are not fully aware of.
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So I thought that was interesting for you all. Thank you guys so much for checking in on this free for all Friday, and I hope you have a very blessed weekend.