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Fr. Simon Esshaki talks about the call from Jesus Christ for all Christians to go out into the world, sharing the good news. The call to evangelize has only grown more important, though it may look different today than it did in 100 A.D. Cy and Fr. Simon discuss the great importance of using social media properly in order to introduce people to Jesus Christ.
Cy Kellett:
Internet evangelizing the apostolic way. Father Simon Esshaki is next. Hello. Welcome to Focus, the Catholic Answers podcast for living, understanding, and defending your Catholic faith. Today we talk a little bit about sharing your Catholic faith. The church has had to we evolve over the centuries as society changed in order to present the truth about Jesus Christ in new ways, with things like the invention of the printing press or the age of discovery. We have to change.
Well, what do you do when the world is changing like this every five minutes? How do you get out there and evangelize in a way that doesn’t let go of that which is sacred but responds to this constant pace of change? You wake up one day and the thing that was the big thing isn’t the big thing anymore. I remember Myspace. I am one of the people who remembers Myspace. Then we just go through all the social media. How do you keep up?
Well, we asked a priest who has 470,000 followers on TikTok. Father Simon Esshaki is here to tell us about how he did it, why he does it, and what he thinks is the apostolic way. That is the way that really is faithful to the apostles to do social media evangelizing. Here’s Father Simon Esshaki. Father Simon Esshaki, thanks so much for being here with us.
Fr. Simon Esshaki:
Thanks for having me, Cy.
Cy Kellett:
All right. I’m going to name some things. I want you to tell me what the relationship between these things is.
Fr. Simon Esshaki:
Alright.
Cy Kellett:
Can we start that way?
Fr. Simon Esshaki:
Let’s do it.
Cy Kellett:
Okay. Burger King chicken sandwich, hot chicken from Kentucky Fried Chicken. 3D Doritos, and a banana cream pie ice cream from 7-Eleven.
Fr. Simon Esshaki:
You did your research.
Cy Kellett:
I did. Well, I’m happy to do that kind of research.
Fr. Simon Esshaki:
Those are my food reviews on TikTok, just a few of them.
Cy Kellett:
Yes, you do food reviews on TikTok. One of the nice things about the food reviews… Well, first of all, I love that you’re reviewing the real high quality stuff like banana cream pie ice cream from 7-Eleven.
Fr. Simon Esshaki:
Yes, there you go.
Cy Kellett:
You say the blessing before you try the food and then you give us your honest evaluation of the food. I’m going to get the Burger King chicken sandwich just on your recommendation.
Fr. Simon Esshaki:
It’s very good. It’s very good.
Cy Kellett:
You said you wouldn’t mind if it was spicy, but I don’t do spicy.
Fr. Simon Esshaki:
Oh really?
Cy Kellett:
It sounded perfect for me.
Fr. Simon Esshaki:
It was okay though. It needed some ranch though. They didn’t give me the ranch. I actually asked for it.
Cy Kellett:
I know. I’m sorry.
Fr. Simon Esshaki:
It’s okay. It’s all right. Burger King is not perfect.
Cy Kellett:
Why? Why are you a priest doing food reviews in your collar, blessing yourself, blessing before the food, and then giving all this fun food review?
Fr. Simon Esshaki:
I didn’t do that at the beginning when I started TikTok. I just kind of wanted to make the TikTok experience just more myself. I just wanted to show myself and just to show what I do on the daily, which is that I eat. One of the things that I thought of is that food is common among everybody, right?
Cy Kellett:
Right.
Fr. Simon Esshaki:
When I preach a message about Jesus or about the Virgin Mary, not everybody on TikTok can relate to it.
Cy Kellett:
Oh right.
Fr. Simon Esshaki:
Actually, TikTok is a very different type of social media, to say the least, because any video you post has the potential to almost go to anybody in the world, not only the people that are following you.
Cy Kellett:
That’s wild.
Fr. Simon Esshaki:
What I saw was happening after I started doing a food review… I mean, the first time I did it, I just was literally in my room about to try a new BelVita bar. I was like, you know what? I’ve seen a lot of people doing food reviews on TikTok. Let me try this and see how it works. I just basically did it. Then I started doing a few of them. I was looking at the comments of the videos, and I saw just a bunch of different people watching the videos.
Cy Kellett:
Isn’t that great?
Fr. Simon Esshaki:
I mean, atheist, Muslims, Jews, so many people. They were just kind of enjoying it.
Cy Kellett:
Everyone wants to know what a BelVita bar is, how that is.
Fr. Simon Esshaki:
Exactly. Then actually, a few months ago, one of my friends messaged me an article, I think, that he found on Reddit. It was an article about a guy basically writing about his reversion back to the Catholic faith, how he grew up Catholic, but then he didn’t take his faith very seriously. Then he actually started the article saying that he was on TikTok, just scrolling through the For You page. Then he saw a priest eating.
Cy Kellett:
Wow.
Fr. Simon Esshaki:
Then he watched my video. Then he just went on my profile. He saw a video where I had spoken about the Rosary and why you should pray the Rosary daily. Then he said he started praying the Rosary daily, and then now he’s back in the Church.
Cy Kellett:
Wow.
Fr. Simon Esshaki:
It was just really cool for me to actually see one person, at least, who got something out of me eating pizza.
Cy Kellett:
Right. 470,000 followers now.
Fr. Simon Esshaki:
Yes, so far.
Cy Kellett:
You have 470,000 followers on TikTok.
Fr. Simon Esshaki:
Yes. I did not expect it.
Cy Kellett:
No, but it’s wonderful. I wanted to talk with you today about evangelizing as a priest. That’s your job, but it’s also all of our job to evangelize. Maybe start with some of how we can use social media in evangelizing. That’s an obvious example. Also, talk to you about how you see evangelizing in the modern world related to the very original evangelizers, the work of the apostles, okay?
Fr. Simon Esshaki:
Yes, sure.
Cy Kellett:
All right. First of all, any tips on evangelizing on social media? I mean, first of all, you got to learn all these things. I mean, there’s a certain age gap, I think, with some of this stuff. TikTok, I know about, but I don’t know about it in a, oh, I’ve done that, kind of way.
Fr. Simon Esshaki:
That’s definitely a great first thing, is that you have to know the means you’re using.
Cy Kellett:
Right.
Fr. Simon Esshaki:
You have to know it well because you can’t go on there, and make poor-quality content, and expect people to watch it.
Cy Kellett:
Right.
Fr. Simon Esshaki:
I mean, there’s big competition, we could say, out there. I mean, there’s some hilarious stuff on TikTok and on other social media. There’s some great content out there that people want to watch. They’re not going to watch something, for the most part, unless it’s appealing to them in some way.
Cy Kellett:
Okay. You got to know that particular media. With you, it’s TikTok. Do you do other ones too? Instagram, too, I think, right?
Fr. Simon Esshaki:
I do Instagram, yes. That’s probably the other one that I use more. I do the Rosary daily on there. That’s kind of my main Instagram ministry.
Cy Kellett:
You wouldn’t do Facebook the same way you do TikTok. You don’t do TikTok the same way you do Twitter.
Fr. Simon Esshaki:
Exactly, yes.
Cy Kellett:
Right. You got to know your medium.
Fr. Simon Esshaki:
Yes. I didn’t really know it at first. When I first got it, some of my friends were making fun of me because it-
Cy Kellett:
Oh yes?
Fr. Simon Esshaki:
TikTok, it used to be, or they were connected with an app called Musical.ly. It was more just high school kids dancing to music.
Cy Kellett:
Oh.
Fr. Simon Esshaki:
One of the reasons why I got it at the beginning is because my little cousin would… She’s in high school. She would show me videos of people preaching false messages of the gospel on TikTok.
Cy Kellett:
Oh.
Fr. Simon Esshaki:
I didn’t even know that there were people preaching the gospel on TikTok. I had no idea. I thought it was just for one group of people, and that’s what they did. I started looking more into it. Actually, if it wasn’t for the lockdown of COVID, I would not have downloaded TikTok even because-
Cy Kellett:
Oh really?
Fr. Simon Esshaki:
Yes. One of the things was that we had youth groups going on at the church. We stopped doing in-person activities. A lot of the high school youth are not going to do the Rosary with me on Instagram, or they’re not going to watch my live Bible studies. I had to think of another way to reach them. That’s kind of why I initially did it.
Cy Kellett:
Now that does strike me as related to the apostles. I mean, the willingness to go where the people are, not to be, we’re over here in this church over here. If you want to come, come on. Is that part of your connection to the apostolic way of evangelization?
Fr. Simon Esshaki:
Yes, definitely, just using whatever means possible to reach people. That’s what we have to do. We have to meet people where they’re at in order to bring them where God wants them to be. That’s the goal of evangelization.
Cy Kellett:
Right. Give me some clues about how you do that, how you do this mission work, because I have to say, I was really struck watching your TikToks that the… You come across like a normal person. You eat the whole sandwich. I’m watching you eat the sandwich. Even, there’s clips of you eating the fries in-between. You just seem like a normal person in your car, but you have the Catholic faith all around you as well. All of us Catholics know, bless us, O Lord. You always pray that before you eat, even if it’s 3D Doritos.
Fr. Simon Esshaki:
Doritos, yes.
Cy Kellett:
Then you’re wearing the collar. It seemed to me like, this is really kind of cool that you’re not trying to just… You’re not the outsider there. You don’t come across as an outsider there. I guess that’s it. You come across as, I’m comfortable here.
Fr. Simon Esshaki:
That’s what it is. Actually, for me, personally, I had to get out of my comfort zone. I mean, it was tough at the beginning. I mean, if you watch my earlier videos, I was kind of more rigid and just not really comfortable with it. Then I started, like I said, at the beginning, to just kind of be myself.
Cy Kellett:
Right.
Fr. Simon Esshaki:
I mean, people, if they’re going to learn the message of the gospel and if it’s going to have an impact on their life, it has to come in a way that they’re going to relate to and want to hear.
Cy Kellett:
Right.
Fr. Simon Esshaki:
People want to see something real, ultimately. That’s one of the biggest things about evangelization that I think we can learn from the apostles and from the saints, is just to, like I said, meet people where they are but with yourself.
Cy Kellett:
Yes, right.
Fr. Simon Esshaki:
Just give yourself to other people with the intention of giving them Christ who should be living within you.
Cy Kellett:
Right.
Fr. Simon Esshaki:
That’s the goal. You’re not going to give them Christ in some superficial way. It has to come from, truly, the depths of your heart and your true faith.
Cy Kellett:
Right. You can’t be just playing Father Esshaki.
Fr. Simon Esshaki:
That’s right.
Cy Kellett:
This is an act I do for the internet. It’s obvious that you’re not. I think that’s why you probably have 475,000 followers.
Fr. Simon Esshaki:
I will say that I think the most important thing that I do and in my ministry… By the way, my social media ministry is not really… It’s not my primary ministry. I mean, it’s something additional that I do with my own time. I’m a full-time parochial vicar here at St. Michael’s Chaldean Catholic Church down the street from Catholic Answers, actually. That’s my full-time ministry and my primary ministry, but this is what I do when I have more time.
The most important thing for me in all of my ministry, and especially on this topic of the social media ministry… The most important thing for me is to encounter Jesus every day in the sacraments and in my prayer life and having that be the source of my work, of my pastoral work. If I don’t pray a lot every day with everything that’s required of me as a priest but also, with the additional stuff that I try to do… If I don’t do that, then my evangelization will definitely fail. I’ve experienced that.
Cy Kellett:
Right.
Fr. Simon Esshaki:
I’ve made mistakes in the past, trying to make a message without really having it be from my heart and without really interacting with the gospel, for example, of a certain passage that I want to talk about. Then when I take it to prayer and I just give my heart to God, I find that it really makes my ministry so much more fruitful.
Cy Kellett:
Right. I guess that’s the first apostolic lesson in a way. The first lesson of the apostles is that connection to Jesus. Don’t let go. I mean, when you’re speaking of it, I’m thinking of St. Peter with Jesus saying, “Peter, do you love me? Then feed my sheep.” You got to affirm that and make that love relationship solid before you go out and feed the sheep.
Fr. Simon Esshaki:
All of the apostles… They stuck around with Christ, unlike Judas, obviously.
Cy Kellett:
Right.
Fr. Simon Esshaki:
Who ran away from the guilt that he felt. The 11 apostles… They sinned. They doubted, but they stuck with Christ until the very end. Then he came. Because they were there, they got to witness him and his resurrected body. They received the grace of the Holy Spirit. Something that we know because of God’s mercy, Judas could have received if he was repentant and if he trusted in God.
Cy Kellett:
Of course.
Fr. Simon Esshaki:
But he didn’t. That’s where he failed. That’s where, unfortunately, a lot of people fail in the ministry.
Cy Kellett:
Jesus first. Make sure you have that prayer life. Then stick with Jesus. Don’t let go.
Fr. Simon Esshaki:
No matter what. No matter how weak you are, no matter how much you sin… We all sin. I sin. I mean, everybody here does, but Jesus doesn’t. It’s Jesus who will give us the grace of his Holy Spirit to preach His gospel.
Cy Kellett:
What else from the apostles in their evangelizing model?
Fr. Simon Esshaki:
Well, we’re a couple of days away from Pentecost now. I don’t know exactly when the listeners will be hearing this. I think that day of Pentecost was just… I mean, the evangelization school, just that day, because the apostles… I mean, they preached, and they baptized 3,000 people. Before that, there were just a handful of people that were following Christ. They were scared because of the persecution that they were going to encounter. We see the apostles as being completely new men in Acts of the apostles. Even at the very end of the gospels, they were still weak, and they were still doubting.
Cy Kellett:
Yes, right.
Fr. Simon Esshaki:
Even when they were looking at the resurrected Lord. Something remarkable that I always think about when I read Peter’s speech at Pentecost is how strongly he put the message for the people. I mean, it was strong. It was clear. I would think that if the people were listening to that message, basically, where he told them, “You are the cause of the crucifixion of Jesus.”
Cy Kellett:
Of the Messiah.
Fr. Simon Esshaki:
I would think they would go stone him after that or-
Cy Kellett:
But they don’t have that.
Fr. Simon Esshaki:
They don’t. What they say is, “Brethren, what shall we do?”
Cy Kellett:
Right.
Fr. Simon Esshaki:
That’s what they say. Luke says they were cut to the heart when they heard the message. To go to the heart of people, that’s what Peter did somehow. It wasn’t just his words. I mean, he had encountered. He had lived that life.
Cy Kellett:
Right.
Fr. Simon Esshaki:
He had sinned. He had experienced Christ’s mercy. He was sharing his heart with those people. It must have been something in him and in the apostles that they saw that made them want to receive what they received.
Cy Kellett:
Right. Because you just hear the speech on its own, fighting words.
Fr. Simon Esshaki:
Exactly.
Cy Kellett:
It seems like a fight is about to break out. How does that relate then? Well, let’s take that one in this kind of apostolic pattern of evangelization that you’re laying for. How does that relate to what you do on TikTok, For example? You can’t just be a sweetheart all the time.
Fr. Simon Esshaki:
There’s a balance because you can’t just be a sweetheart all the time. You have to say the truth clearly. You can’t water it down.
Cy Kellett:
Right.
Fr. Simon Esshaki:
There’s that. You have to also do it carefully because you’re dealing with human beings.
Cy Kellett:
Right.
Fr. Simon Esshaki:
Human beings are fragile.
Cy Kellett:
Right.
Fr. Simon Esshaki:
They will turn away from you in an instant if they hear something that they don’t want to hear. It should not make us shy away from saying the truth, but it should help us to say it in a proper way in order to try to get them to accept it.
Cy Kellett:
I have to say, I think you’re a naturally, very positive person. I say that because when you review food, it’s either a 8, or a 9, or a 9.7. One of the other priests gave something a four and a half. You were like, “A four and a half?”
Fr. Simon Esshaki:
Right, Oscar.
Cy Kellett:
You were offended by that. You do already have that positive disposition.
Fr. Simon Esshaki:
You have to show people the beauty of the gospel while, like I said, not diluting it and not running away from the truth.
Cy Kellett:
Right, right. You put some of your Sunday preaching up there.
Fr. Simon Esshaki:
Yes, that, I try to do. I put my full homilies on Instagram and YouTube. Actually, just last week, TikTok made it so that you can post a three-minute video now. It used to be only one minute. I basically split it up into a few parts, and I tried that out.
Cy Kellett:
Here in San Diego, and maybe it’s in other places where there’s a large Chaldean Catholic community as well, it’s a very close-knit community, very positive, friendly, welcoming community, but believers. That’s a different audience. This is a group that they know each other. They have the common kind of way of being.
Fr. Simon Esshaki:
Right.
Cy Kellett:
Then you put it on TikTok, and there’s 470,000 people you don’t know. Do you ever think about that?
Fr. Simon Esshaki:
I definitely think about that all the time, actually, not only with my homilies, but with some of the content that I post. That’s why I always try to let people know who I am, that I am a Catholic priest. I just make it very obvious that this is not a normal food review video. This is a priest, and this is a priest’s TikTok page.
That’s why a lot of my videos, you’re going to see food. You’re going to see nice prayers, or you’re going to see maybe, sometimes Bible verses that could apply to just anybody watching, even if you don’t really believe in Jesus. You’re going to see a lot of that on my page, but you’re also going to see some hard truths on the page of who Jesus is and of what the church is.
That’s why, I mean, I definitely think about it before I post something. I say, what is a person going to think if they’re just watching this? Honestly, sometimes I just say, screw it. I’m just going to post this. Whatever they think, they think. Sometimes those videos just become very fruitful, help people.
Cy Kellett:
Right.
Fr. Simon Esshaki:
It starts a conversation. A lot of the times, what I want to do is, especially with something like TikTok, where you have to post a one-minute video, maximum three minutes… People are really not even going to watch the full minute most of the time. A lot of what I do is not to answer every single question but to show that there is an answer. You know what I’m saying?
Cy Kellett:
That’s very helpful. Right.
Fr. Simon Esshaki:
To open their minds because that’s what happened with me, actually. I experienced this. We’re at Catholic Answers right now. The answers are there. When I was in high school, I was searching for the answers. I found a lot of the time that when I asked questions, I just had more questions afterwards when I got a simple answer. It just made me go to the source itself: go to the Bible, go to the teachings of the church, look up, actually, Catholic Answers, which helped me a lot when I was in high school. That’s what faith and discipleship is. It’s a journey. It’s walking with Christ.
Cy Kellett:
What a great thing to show in the public place, that there are answers, because I think, especially at the middle-school age, they’re very vulnerable to this kind of almost… It’s a temptation, but it’s also a kind of bullying of how dumb these believers are, and they’re stupid. You’re a sucker if you fall for that. Nobody in eighth grade or seventh grade wants to be a sucker.
Fr. Simon Esshaki:
Yes, exactly.
Cy Kellett:
If you just show them, no, just by example, no, there are answers to these things, I think that’s very helpful.
Fr. Simon Esshaki:
Actually, TikTok and social media in general is one of the causes of a lot of people thinking that Christians are stupid and that-
Cy Kellett:
Yes, right.
Fr. Simon Esshaki:
They don’t have answers. That’s why I think it’s so important for Christians, for Catholics, to be on these platforms so that we could show those who are on there because, I mean, Catholics are on there. There are Christians on there. There are fallen-away Catholics. They all use these things. They all see those one-minute viral videos of a guy who takes a bunch of Bible verses out of context and shows why we’re wrong. You need people that are going to counter that. That’s what we need. We need people who know the faith and who are willing to teach the faith.
Cy Kellett:
For some reason, people will trust a priest who will eat a sandwich and be normal with them in a way that they might not even a great… They might not take it from Fulton Sheen, maybe the greatest TV preacher ever, because he seems foreign to them. You break right through that foreignness.
Fr. Simon Esshaki:
I will add to that, actually. That’s a great way to put it. I have to get it from the Fulton Sheens.
Cy Kellett:
Right. That’s a good point.
Fr. Simon Esshaki:
From the saints, from the fathers. That’s where I have to get it from. I mean, I learned from them, from those great spiritual leaders and the thinkers of our tradition. The way that they express the faith, I’m trying my best to express it in a way that the people are going to understand it.
Cy Kellett:
Okay. When we talk about that apostolic thing, it starts with Jesus, just as it did with the apostles. Then you said they stuck with Jesus. That’s an important one. They tell the truth in the spirit. They have the spirit of truth in them, and they speak the truth. Any more that you want to add to-
Fr. Simon Esshaki:
I would add one important point, especially now that we’re in the season of the apostles. Actually, we have in the Chaldean church, it’s the season of the apostles, liturgically. I would add that while you have to be in unity with Christ, you have to also be in unity with the body of Christ as well. The apostles… After Jesus went up to heaven, they were together. That’s what it says. They were together in one place. Although they had all doubted, and although we see later on that they had disagreements, but Christ is what united them. They were with each other. They were in unity. They would also call out each other.
Cy Kellett:
Right.
Fr. Simon Esshaki:
We see Peter and Paul when there was a conflict. We have to be willing to do that in the right way and always in love. We also cannot lose the unity with the church.
Cy Kellett:
Beautiful. Beautiful. Now you, as a Chaldean priest, you’re a little bit different too. They’re like, “Well, what is this?” Right?
Fr. Simon Esshaki:
Chaldean is one of the 20-ish or so Eastern rites of the church. We have our own traditions, our own language, our own church fathers, right, but we are in unity with the Catholic church, fully. We are in full unity with the church of Rome. I just did mass here for some of the Catholic Answers team. It’s a full Catholic mass, just a little bit different. We speak Aramaic. It’s the language of our liturgy as well. We have a slightly different spiritual tradition, although we do share the same faith as the Catholic church. We say the Creed at our mass. That’s what we profess.
Cy Kellett:
I like hearing the Aramaic though in the Eucharistic prayer because you’re so close to Jesus. I mean, Jesus said those words, in all likelihood, in Aramaic.
Fr. Simon Esshaki:
Probably, there’s different dialects now, right, but he probably said it very close to the way that we say it.
Cy Kellett:
I want people to know how they can find you on… Probably anybody who’s going to already knows how to do this, but find you on Instagram, and TikTok, and anywhere else where you’re eating sandwiches.
Fr. Simon Esshaki:
Sure. I’m just on there. I’m on Twitter as well. Most of my usernames are just either Father.Simon or Father_Simon.
Cy Kellett:
If they want to find you on the internet, it’s Father Simon Esshaki, E-S-H-
Fr. Simon Esshaki:
E-S-S.
Cy Kellett:
Oh, E-S-S.
Fr. Simon Esshaki:
E-S-S-H-A-K-I.
Cy Kellett:
Now I know you’ve agreed to give us your blessing, a blessing to us here and to our listeners. You’ll do so in Aramaic?
Fr. Simon Esshaki:
Yes.
Cy Kellett:
In the language of Jesus.
Fr. Simon Esshaki:
I can, yes.
Cy Kellett:
All right, father.
Fr. Simon Esshaki:
All right. [Aramaic 00:25:46]. Amen.
Cy Kellett:
Amen. Thank you so much.
Fr. Simon Esshaki:
Thanks for having me, Cy.
Cy Kellett:
That was just great. Thank you. I don’t know why it is mesmerizing to watch people opening packaging and eating on the internet. I have no idea, but it’s mesmerizing. When that person is wearing a Roman collar and blessing themself before they eat the chicken sandwich, it’s kind of doubly mesmerizing. Then when that person is not just wearing a Roman collar but is just a normal fun person, it’s very compelling. 470,000 followers can’t be wrong.
Simon… I should say Father Simon Esshaki has been a wonderful success on the internet with very, very simple things. I think you should take a look at it and see what he does. See what you think of it. Maybe it will fit into your plans for evangelizing or your way of helping to share the good news in this world. We’re all called to evangelize, even if it means eating chicken sandwiches on the internet.
I’m Cy Kellett, your host. We’re really glad you joined us here on Catholic Answers Focus. If you want to send us an email, send it to focus@catholic.com. Focus@catholic.com. If you would, like and subscribe down here, if you’re watching on YouTube. That’s the way we grow on YouTube. We are growing there. We’re very, very grateful for that. If you’re listening on one of the podcast services, if you subscribe, you’ll get updates when new episodes are available, and you can give us that review, five fingers, five stars maybe, five stars on that review, and some nice words. That also helps us grow.
If you can support us financially, please visit us at givecatholic.com and write a little note that this money is for Catholic Answers Focus, givecatholic.com. As I said, I’m Cy Kellett, your host. Father Simon Esshaki has been our guest. Find him on Instagram and TikTok. We’ll see you next time, God willing, right here at Catholic Answers Focus. Seriously, the Burger King chicken sandwich is better than Popeye’s Chicken?
Fr. Simon Esshaki:
Yes, yes.
Cy Kellett:
Really?
Fr. Simon Esshaki:
I thought it was. I didn’t have a good experience with the Popeye’s spicy chicken.
Cy Kellett:
Oh okay.
Fr. Simon Esshaki:
Actually, it was kind of dry. It was hyped a lot. I mean-
Cy Kellett:
It’s kind of-
Fr. Simon Esshaki:
It was big time, and it just didn’t really meet my expectations.
Cy Kellett:
The winner for you was neither of those two. It was-
Fr. Simon Esshaki:
Chick-fil-A.
Cy Kellett:
Chick-fil-A.
Fr. Simon Esshaki:
No matter what chicken sandwich I have, I mean, nothing has beat Chick-fil-A for me.
Cy Kellett:
Okay. All right. Thanks, father.