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Minister finds scriptural warrant
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This Rock
Volume 3, Number 2
 February 1992 
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AS a Protestant minister who has been studying Cathol-icism lately, it's nice to see there is scriptural warrant for the Immaculate Conception ["Ark of the New Covenant," December 1991]. As one who has done a great deal of study into Church history, I have some reservations whether this teaching has been taught from the early Church.
According to Catholicism, doesn't the unanimous consent of the Fathers play a part in the Catholic Church developing this as a doctrine? How come St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas didn't believe in the Immaculate Conception?
If you could elaborate on this to show me where the early Church Fathers and subsequent history back this up, this would help me to embrace Catholicism.
I'm not writing to be antagonistic toward this teaching, but to develop a better understanding of how Catholicism embraces this particular doctrine
Steve Boujey
No address given
How to amaze friends
I WAS encouraged when I ran across some information about your organization. For a long time I have thought the need for something like Catholic Answers urgent. One comes across a book here or a pamphlet there on Catholic apologetics, but nothing, it seemed to me, really organized to confront the many-angled attacks on the Church.
I would like to draw your attention to another such attack--a book entitled Salvation, The Bible, and Roman Catholicism, written by William Webster and published by Banner of Truth Publishers.
Like all the anti-Catholic stuff I have read, this book too is full of inaccuracies and specious arguments. A number of Protestant friends of mine read the book and, not being at all familiar with what Catholicism is really like, were badly affected by it.
So I wrote a rebuttal myself. I focused on three main areas in my response: the author's specious arguments, historical inaccuracies, and lack of biblical support. The last, I learned, is probably the most important when answering a conservative Protestant. My friends, for example, were amazed at the case for Catholicism that can be made from the Bible.
I learned a lot from doing this project, and I hope I have helped in a small way to open the minds of a few people who have been so prejudiced against the Catholic faith. I do not know how widespread the distribution of Mr. Webster's book is, but I want you at least to be aware of it, and I want to congratulate you for your good work. Having done a tiny bit of "defending the faith," I know how rewarding your work must be to you.
Ray Williams
Asheville, North Carolina
"Help me, Mom!"
MY son came to me saying, "I need some answers, Mom. I'm getting so many challenges from friends and family members." Where could I find a better source than Catholic Answers? Thanks for being there, and keep up the good work!
Margaret Powell
Portland, Oregon
This prison is now "priestly"
WE would like to thank you for the prayers you may have offered toward the acquisition of our Catholic Chaplain. God has heard and answered! We thank you for your kind help and support as we awaited the arrival of Fr. Joseph Vallooran. We hope that you will be able to support him as much as you have supported us, as he joins us in ministering to the men at Pelican Bay State Prison.
Rev. R. G. Bliesner
Protestant Chaplain
Crescent City, California
A priestless prison
THANKS once again for the complimentary subscription you granted me over a year and a half ago. It has helped me tremendously in knowing more of my Catholic faith; it is also a valuable tool for me in sharing it with others who are interested. Please continue sending it until I am released.
Hardee Correctional Institution does not have, at this time, many services that a correctional institution normally does. One of the greatest items missing here, at least for us Catholics, is that of not having a priest to administer the sacraments or Catholic lay people to fellowship and counsel us.
There are many Catholics at Hardee; most of us feel this lack. Any Catholic literature we can obtain is, for now, our sole communication with the rest of the Church. We appreciate what little there is for us, and we would appreciate Catholic penpals, who can write to me at Hardee Correctional Institution, Route 2, Box 200 (#0654), Bowling Green, Florida 33834.
John R. Kidwell, Jr.
Bowling Green, Florida
St. Joseph: old man or teen?
THE pronouncements on Mary's perpetual virginity ["The Fathers Know Best," December 1991] are inspiring and enlightening. My only quarrel is with the artist's depiction of Mary and Joseph that accompanied the article. St. Joseph is depicted as a very old man, grandfatherly.
Recent writings on St. Joseph tell us that, according to the customs of the times, St. Joseph was probably a young man. The 1973 U.S. Conference of Bishops' pastoral on Mary, "Behold Your Mother," state that St. Joseph was probably about 18 years of age at the time of his betrothal to Mary. In his lengthy book Joseph: The Man Closest to Jesus, Fr. Francis Filas, S.J. tells us that St. Joseph was probably in his teens.
The late Archbishop Fulton Sheen supported these conclusions by declaring St. Joseph to be "a young man, strong, virile, handsome, chaste, and disciplined, with energy kept in chains for God's sake and for his holy purposes."
The Archbishop thought that artists in times gone by must have considered senility a better protector of Mary's virginity than adolescence. He surmises, however, that if our Lord gave Mary a young man at the cross, he wouldn't likely give her an old man at the crib.
Edith Galbraith
San Diego, California
More exciting than soaps
THANK you for all your dedication in publishing this educational tool to our faith! It is very exciting to see others in the Catholic faith who are eager in learning more about our Lord and building a strong relationship with him.
I have many friends, Christians who are not Catholics, and I see every day the many misconceptions that people have about Catholicism. Thank you for your efforts in interpreting the faith and aiding others to explain difficult subjects through the love and grace of Jesus.
Vicki Rhodes
Houston, Texas
Indefectible sedevacantism?
WITH regard to the letter from Fr. Lucian Pulvermacher published in the December 1991 issue, where he accuses Vatican Council II and all the popes after Pius XII of heresy, this position is itself blatantly heretical because it contradicts the promise of our Lord in Matthew 16:19: "the gates of hell shall not prevail" against the Church, which Christ established upon the rock of Peter.
If an ecumenical council convened, presided over, and ratified by two consecutive popes could teach false dogma (e.g., "all religions are true"), and if the current pontiff is merely a "Protestant minister," then the domain of the devil has succeeded in triumphing over the Catholic Church and Jesus Christ's words have been nullified.
It seems to me that no truly orthodox Catholic can consistently accept the indefectibility of the Church (together with the infallibility of the popes in official matters of faith and morals) while simultaneously maintaining a bizarre brand of sedevacant-ism.
David P. Lang
Franklin, Massachusetts
Sad song from Hong Kong
PLEASE remove my name from your mailing list. I had never asked to receive your literature. I want to save you the expense.
Paul and Barnabas were diametrically opposed to each other over the issue of John Mark. It became apparent to them that they needed to follow the Lord by being led by their own convictions, and the Lord used both of them. But in order for them to follow their convictions, they had to break fellowship with one another--which I must do with you.
We remain united in the family of Jesus Christ, and we will rejoice together on that day we see him face to face. But until then I must follow my conviction of spreading the gospel in Asia, believing that the Roman Catholic institution is not for everyone, but that salvation comes through faith in Jesus Christ. I release you to follow your convictions of upholding the Catholic faith. But I must part with you in fellowship.
I do not believe it is wrong to draw people from the Catholic Church if it leads them into salvation. You and I both know that there are many Catholic churches in the world that have mixed paganism and animism with the liturgy. People in these areas need to know the truth about Jesus --even if it means for them to hear it from a non-Catholic Christian.
I know that one of your arguments will be that there are many non-Catholic churches that are off-the-wall as well. I totally agree. If you can save people from these churches into the Catholic Church, go for it! I am convinced that our Lord will not be so much concerned in the final day as to who belongs to what church, but who belongs to him.
Thomas Freitag
Hong Kong
Zowie! Bang! Boom!
I JUST listened to the audio tape set I Escaped from the Watchtower. Wow! It's great!
I thought I'd alert you to another anti-Catholic group, ROTC, Reaching Out To Catholics.
Terry Frazier
Long Beach, California
Editor’s reply:
For more information on how Leonard Chretien escaped from the Jehovah's Witnesses, see the back cover of this issue.
ROTC is praised in the newsletter of Bill Jackson's Christians Evangelizing Catholics, which is headquartered in Louisville. ROTC was founded by Don and Barbara Nutter of Norwalk, Ohio. Jackson asks his readers to pray for the Nutters. Let's do precisely that--let's pray that they come to see the damage they do by publicly opposing the Church Christ founded.
"Over 5 billion served"?
WHAT better way to start the new year right than to subscribe at last to my favorite reading matter? Your magazine is absolutely outstanding. How I wish it could be printed by the billions with a Catholic version of the Witnesses to walk the streets and bang on doors.
Thanks for the article on the cross versus the torture stake [October 1991]--solid and needed. Could you let me know if back issues of This Rock are available?
Rev. Barry Bossa
Yonkers, New York
Editor’s reply:
Back issues are available at $3.00 each ($4.00 outside the U.S.), but we're out of some issues. Let us know which issues you need by calling (619) 541-1131.
When all isn't all
I PARTICULARLY enjoyed the article "Ark of the Covenant" [December 1991]. The most difficult objection [to Mary's Immaculate Conception] for me to overcome has been the passage in Romans, "for all have sinned" (Rom. 3:23). You advise Evangelicals not to take the word "all" too literally and then give very good reasons for not doing so.
If an Evangelical can be shown that Paul does not always use "all" to mean "every single individual," then Romans 3:23 can be shown not to be the objection to our Blessed Mother's Immaculate conception that so many think it is.
In Romans 5:12 Paul writes that "death spread to all men because all sinned." But death didn't spread to all men. Enoch and Elijah did not die. In the Greek, the same word is used in both Romans 3:23 and Romans 5:12.
Michael Anderson
Ontario, California
Open letter no. 1
I WANT to respond to the letter from Elizabeth Kern [December 1991]. Her letter touched me, and I think it was a cry for help. Elizabeth just needs more reasons for staying than leaving. Her prolife dedication tells me she lives her faith.
Elizabeth, I too am a prolife activist who hungers for the presence of priests and nuns [outside abortion clinics]--just more Catholics, period. The Protestants I pray with and particpate with in prolife work do not know how to pray better than Catholics.
Catholics have the most complete and highest prayer of all, the holy sacrifice of the Mass, and there is no substitute for the true body and blood of our Lord Jesus. To exchange a lesser fellowship for the loss of this is a poor bargain.
Catholics are not prevented from praying all day long anyway we want to. While washing the dishes and looking out my kitchen window I marvel at God's creation and praise him for it. Every time someone has even a small bit of good fortune, I immediately thank God for his generosity.
Speaking of the Our Father and Hail Mary, what [do you think] is wrong with these? Saying the rosary, a combination of both prayers, is a request from Mary--how can we disparage it in preference for something more "Protestant"?
Is not the rosary the most appropriate prayer on behalf of the preborn and their mothers? Surely our Blessed Mother understands a woman pregnant with child and knows how to reach her, even in the depths of despair and confusion
Elizabeth, I love you with all my heart, and I suffer with you. I really hear you. Please do not leave. We need you. Besides, if you leave, that will make just one more "Protestant" at a prolife gathering, one of the very realities you wish to change.
Come on, Elizabeth--please say you will stay, as the Catholic Church is the only true church, our only true and precious home in this vale of tears.
Pauly Fongemie
Winthrop, Maine
Open letter no. 2
I WOULD like to respond to the letter from Elizabeth Kern.
Elizabeth, you say the Catholic Church has not taught you to go to the Bible for answers and therefore you must leave for the Baptist Church. I would advise you to read Fr. Peter M. J. Stravinskas's book The Catholic Church and the Bible (published by Our Sunday Visitor), especially chapter four ("Mass Prayers: Biblical Prayers").
Also, have you ever paid attention to the Lord's Prayer (one of the two you mentioned as your only prayers in the Catholic Church)? It says, "Give us this day our daily bread." Don't you realize that "our daily bread" is the Eucharist and that only the Catholic Church teaches that Jesus is really present in the Eucharist?
How could you leave him and go to the Baptist Church? Why not try daily Mass instead? Then take some time to get some form of Scripture study and meditation. Find a priest in your diocese to help you in this study, or start a correspondence course, such as the one from Catholic Home Study in Virginia.
Know that I will keep you and your friends in prayer, especially when I pray the rosary at the abortion mill.
Vic Stevenart
Omaha, Nebraska
The man from uncle
I WAS born and raised a Catholic, but never understood or practiced my faith for the first 19 years of my life. Four years ago I picked up the Bible one day and began to read the Gospels, and from that time I began to experience in the deepest way the love of Christ in my life.
But it was my uncle, who heard of my coming to God, who began to instruct me and teach me about my Catholic faith, the sacraments, the Church, our holy Mother, and the saints.
I just want to say thanks for the great work that you do in helping Catholics and non-Catholics alike to see the greatness and the truth of the Catholic faith. My uncle and I enjoy and learn a great deal from the tapes. I give you my many prayers.
David Quezada
La Puente, California
Tough nuts to crack
PLEASE renew my subscription. Your magazine has done much to open and educate my mind to the great spiritual fullness of my Catholic faith.
Unfortunately, my personal experiences with Fundamentalists lead me to believe they will not accept the truth no matter how persuasive, powerful, or logical the argument. I feel they have an innate suspicion and a fear of accepting a faith they cannot reduce to simple terms.
T.A. Peck
Long Beach, California
"You should have kept quiet"
I MUST say I'm dismayed. Regardless of any truth to your points about Vin Lewis ["ARM of the Lord," November 1991], you have behaved incorrectly to spend the energy you did in writing a four-page letter against him. Don't you see how wrong it is to resort to the same bashing to which you are blaming him?
If you feel he lacks charity, civility, and manners, then please aim to display these virtues toward him yourself. If you need to correct "out of charity," as you say, do it one-on-one through a phone call or a letter.
Put the golden rule in place in your own conduct, despite another's actions, and chalk up this whole confrontation as a learning experience and an opportunity to advance in kindness, generosity, and forgiveness. Pray for Vin. I don't agree with all of his methods either, but I can say also that not all of yours I agree with either. Instead I take the pearls from each apologetic and discard the shells. Get past the rough exterior to find his good will and I assure you that you will learn much from him.
Remember, it looks bad for the Church to see these squabbles.
Debbie Netti
No address given
"I was helped by Vin Lewis"
I WAS disappointed to read Karl Keating's attack on Catholic apologist and evangelist Vin Lewis.
I've known Vin for about five years, and, admittedly, we've had our differences. I don't agree with his methods 100% of the time or even all of his arguments, but I will admit that I have a lot to thank him for.
As someone in love with the Catholic Church and all she stands for, I've always had a longing for fallen-away Catholics to return to her bosom and have prayed for them and for the conversions of Protestants.
I had hoped, without really doing much about it, that all the Protestants I knew would somehow (after many years in purgatory) make it to heaven, but I never really made much effort on their behalf.
However, not until I came in contact with Vin Lewis and started reading excerpts from the teachings of the popes, various councils, saints, early Church Fathers, and Doctors of the Church did I realize that probably very few Protestants will enjoy eternal happiness. They are denying doctrines essential for salvation. (This has always been the teaching of the Church, and the Second Vatican Council affirms this.)
Not until I met Vin Lewis did I understand that I had the obligation to defend and evangelize my faith or risk losing my own soul. How many Catholics take this obligation seriously or are even aware of it? And if I were truly concerned about my Protestant brother's salvation, I'd better get off my duff and do something about it!
The same might be said for the Catholic Rendezvous participants. Many of us who've attended over the years were due for a good kick in the pants when it came to evangelizing for the faith.
Vin helped me to realize the importance of evangelizing the truth and gave me the ammunition with which to do it. I recently had the God-given opportunity to evangelize the faith while doing a short prison stint after a prolife rescue.
Vin's prior instructions and arguments helped enormously (in addition to all the outside prayers) and were instrumental in bringing one Catholic to a deeper understanding of her faith and another back into the Church after 20 years. (Scott Hahn's conversion story gave her the final push.)
My point is simply that no one method of evangelizing may be perfect for everyone. Both Vin Lewis and Karl Keating have helped me and others I know in conversations with Protestants. We can use the good that they both offer to our advantage.
Joan Lempka
Millbrook, New York
Maybe we should try vinegar
YOUR article about Vincent Lewis is based on the old wisdom that you catch more flies with honey than with vinegar. St. Paul says that, in order to evangelize, he becomes all things to all people--a Roman to the Romans, a Hebrew to the Hebrews.
In the centuries preceding Vatican II the Church usually took the attitude displayed by Vincent Lewis. Protestants were considered heretics, not separated brethren. Could the Church have been wrong throughout these 1900 years?
The current charitable, "liberal" attitude toward non-Catholics seems to have backfired. Seminaries are nearly empty. Catholic schools are closing for lack of teaching nuns. Priests are leaving in order to marry. Young Catholics are either not practicing their faith or are joining Fundamentalist sects. These things would have been unthinkable during the many centuries when the Church was "intolerant" and "triumphalistic."
Let's look at the other side of the coin. How tolerant are Protestants toward us Catholics? Have you ever seen any of the Chick Publications comics? Fundamentalists are very aggressive in condemning pornographers, homosexuals, and other perverts who destroy the family, while our Church preaches "charity" toward homosexual AIDS victims and even has priests who have advocated Masses for homosexuals.
Is a harsh attitude like that of Vincent Lewis really all that unsuccessful in protecting the faith? Look at the Muslim religion! The Muslims are the most bellicose and intolerant people in the world when it comes to their faith, yet they are eminently successful in proselytizing and competing with the Christian faith in Africa.
Peter W. Stein
San Mateo, California
Reaching Protestants quickly
YOUR article expresses a quite passionate view of Vincent Lewis's personality and apologetic methods. However, having listened to many of Vincent's tapes, including the tape of your own debate with him on this very issue, I would like to respectfully offer the following.
When Vincent explains that he has now found an honest, knowledgeable Protestant, I believe he is referring to those whom he has confronted in respect to the contradictions in their basic Protestant beliefs.
One example is how he is often able to very easily prove the error of sola scriptura as to how it violates the law of identity and the principle of causality.
Any honest person, seeking truth, upon this newly-found knowledge will at the least begin to seek an answer and will be on the road to Rome.
Scott Hahn was a full professor before being made aware of this particular contradiction in Protestant teaching and his eventual conversion as a result lends credence to Vincent's basic method. It is my opinion that Vincent is trying to quickly show Protestants just where they are in error. Why are our bishops not doing the same?
Incidentally, in all of the tapes I have received from ARM, Vincent, in advance, requests permission from the people at the other end of the line to tape the conversation.
William J. Sneeringer
Nevada City, California
Clarity from Karl Adam
YOU described in detail the approach of another apologetics organization, particularly the lack of charity, which was not just an incidental fault, but was in fact part of the modus operandi of the organization.
A couple of days after reading the article, I read a chapter from The Spirit of Catholicism by Karl Adam. The following quotation appears in the chapter entitled "The Church Necessary for Salvation":
"In other words, the heretic, the Jew, and the pagan seldom exist in a pure state. What we actually have before us is living men, with their fundamental outlook influenced or dominated by this or that erroneous idea. Therefore, the Church expressly distinguishes between 'formal' and 'material' heretics. A 'formal' heretic rejects the Church and its teachings absolutely and with full deliberation; a 'material' heretic rejects the Church from lack of knowledge, being influenced by false prejudice or by an anti-Catholic upbringing.
"St. Augustine forbids us to blame a man for being a heretic because he was born of heretical parents, provided that he does not with obstinate self-assurance shut out all better knowledge, but seeks the truth simply and loyally."
Thomas J. Ruwe
Felicity, Ohio
Lewis: Keating is "dishonest"
I AM forced to discredit you. Your article is dishonest and prissy. I had thought that you were above such effeminate tactics. Your attack on Cindy Hof is below the level of a Christian gentleman. You make factual errors on matters which could have easily been researched.
You did not want the truth, but only wanted to slander ARM and me. Anyone who desires to know the truth about ARM and me should call me at (914) 226-4172.
I shall now refute a few of your errors. Your descriptions of others' reactions to me describes your subjective impression of an event in 1988. If you wanted your readers to know what others think of ARM now, you could have called these men and quoted them. However, you were not interested in the truth.
My quotes of Scott Hahn were correct, although he did object after I used them. I never called you "anti-Catholic." You are not. You write heresy at times and are weak on dogma. Your description of how I operate is totally false. Your date of the founding of ARM is off by four years.
Your negative quote about me given by another is a lie. My sources of income are not "unclear"; I simply do not make money for what I do. I am not a "professional Catholic." If I were, perhaps I also would be weak on dogma and concerned about the "sensibilities" of others (which is the sin of human respect).
Your quotes attributed to me are correct, grammar errors and all. There are no honest, knowledgeable Protestants, and I will give $100 to anyone who can produce one. In my criticisms I have limited myself to your statements. I have not been so mean-spirited or petty to attack you personally. I offer for both of us to discuss our differences [on tape] and make the tape available, and then let your readers judge ARM, if you are not afraid of a fair contest between us.
Spend your time and talent seeking truth, defending the faith, and doing good research, and stop such sinful, stupid, and slanderous nonsense as this. You have disgraced yourself, your organization, and scandalized many who used to think well of you.
Please accept my offer and air our differences in a fair and open manner, and reclaim your honor and credibility.
Vincent P. Lewis
Hopewell Junction, New York
Karl Keating replies:
Mrs. Netti suggests I should have spoken with Vin Lewis privately first. I have spoken with him privately--several times--and so have others. I'm not the only one who has told him his methods are counterproductive and injurious to souls. (Again, not so much his content as his methods.) The biblical scheme has been tried. There have been private remonstances and small-group chats; public discussion came only later, after ARM began to have a noticeable public presence.
Lewis has been unreceptive to the advice and insists on promoting his dangerous notions, which are wrapped in an off-putting braggadocio. Yes, Mrs. Netti, "it looks bad for the Church to see these squabbles," but it's worse to have the Church discredited in non-Catholics' eyes. Sometimes we need to air internal disputes to protect souls.
I'm pleased Mrs. Lempka was successful in her apologetics work. She may have used Vin Lewis's information, but (I say this with assurance since I know her from the Catholic Rendezvous sessions), surely not his overbearing approach. My complaint was not with (most of) his beliefs, but with the way he tries to pound them into opponents' heads. Bad technique can vitiate good content.
A few recent examples. In the January 1992 issue of The ARM-ament, the newsletter for Lewis's group, are found these characterizations (which I don't think can be excused as nothing more than good-natured exaggeration):
1. "A while back I dealt with people in Servant Ministry and the University of Steubenville (which claims to be Catholic)." The emphassis is by Lewis.
2. "My cousin finding Catholic morality too confining for his business and social inclination became an atheist by joining the Episcopalian 'church.'"
3. "I explained that Catholics aren't allowed to believe in coincidence . . . only Prots (that is, atheists) are allowed to do that."
Lines such as these, I claim, cancel out whatever good ARM does because they give people a wrong idea of the Church's teaching--in fact, they misrepresent the Church's teaching.
Mr. Stein concedes too much to "liberals." Our Lord didn't suggest we act in charity--he commanded it--so why let charity be co-opted by the heterodox? Ask most people the name of the world's most charitable person and they'll say "Mother Teresa." She's certainly no "liberal."
There may have been Catholics in the past who used techniques similar to Vin Lewis's, but they probably had as poor a track record in making converts. Let's distinguish between his methods and those of, say, St. Robert Bellarmine, a strong and successful, but not an uncharitable, defender of the faith.
Now to the letter from Mr. Lewis. He says my description of how he operates "is totally false." He says I "did not want the truth," yet my article consisted mainly of quotations from his own newsletter. That's where I got most of the information about the techniques he uses and recommends. (Some information came from personal observation, of course.) If he doesn't like people quoting him, he should watch what he publishes.
I am at a loss to respond to his notion that concern for the sensibilities of others amounts to "the sin of human respect." What happened to "love your enemies"? Do the demands of charity not extend to Protestants?
My recounting of the 1988 Catholic Rendezvous and of the participants' responses to Lewis was given to show Lewis in action (and other people in reaction). His attitude has not changed measurably since then, as his letter illustrates.
He claims I was "not interested in the truth" because I didn't quote the Rendezvousers' current thoughts about All Roads Ministries. I didn't even quote their 1988 thoughts on ARM (which they probably didn't know existed). The passage was not about what they thought of his group, but about how his attitude turned off (and still turns off) even devoted and intelligent Catholics, some of whom have dedicated their lives to the spreading of the faith.
Miss Hof was mentioned only in passing, and the only negative comment about her was Lewis's own. He promotes a tape recording in which, he says in the tape's description, she manifests "common errors in apologetics." I remarked that Lewis did not seem to demonstrate the delicacy one might expect in the situation, considering that Miss Hof is his girlfriend. If my mentioning Miss Hof in this passage or any other caused her grief, I apologize for it. It was not my intention to skewer anyone but Lewis.
Vin Lewis says he has not "been so mean-spirited or petty to attack you personally." I'm pleased for the clarification. I was about to take as personal his labeling me, my writing, and my tactics as "dishonest," "prissy," "effeminate," "here[tical]," "weak on dogma," "sinful," "stupid," "slanderous," "disgrace[ful]," "scandaliz[ing]." Since these adjectives are not to be construed as attacks on me personally, all I can say is that I'm grateful not to be the object of a real attack by Lewis.
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