Is Purgatory in the Bible?

January 17, 2014 | 215 comments

This may well be the most common single question I receive concerning our Catholic Faith whether it be at conferences, via email, snail mail, or any other venue. In fact, I've answered it twice today already, so I thought I might just blog about it.

We'll begin by making clear just what we mean by "Purgatory." The Catechism of the Catholic Church teaches:

All who die in God’s grace, but still imperfectly purified, are indeed assured of their eternal salvation; but after death they undergo purification, so as to achieve the holiness necessary to enter the joy of heaven (1030).

This seems so simple. Its common sense. Scripture is very clear when it says, "But nothing unclean shall enter [heaven]" (Rev. 21:27). Hab. 1:13 says, "You [God]... are of purer eyes than to behold evil and cannot look on wrong..." How many of us will be perfectly sanctified at the time of our deaths? I dare say most of us will be in need of further purification in order to enter the gates of heaven after we die, if, please God, we die in a state of grace.

In light of this, the truth about Purgatory is almost self-evident to Catholics. However, to many Protestants this is one of the most repugnant of all Catholic teachings. It represents “a medieval invention nowhere to be found in the Bible.” It's often called "a denial of the sufficiency of Christ's sacrifice." It is said to represent "a second-chance theology that is abominable." We get these and many more such charges here at Catholic Answers when it comes to Purgatory. And most often the inquiries come from Catholics who are asking for help to explain Purgatory to a friend, family member, or co-worker. 

A Very Good Place to Start

Perhaps the best place to start is with the most overt reference to a “Purgatory” of sorts in the Old Testament. I say a “Purgatory of sorts” because Purgatory is a teaching fully revealed in the New Testament and defined by the Catholic Church. The Old Testament people of God would not have called it “Purgatory,” but they did clearly believe that the sins of the dead could be atoned for by the living as I will now prove. This is a constitutive element of what Catholics call “Purgatory.”

In II Maccabees 12:39-46, we discover Judas Maccabeus and members of his Jewish military forces collecting the bodies of some fallen comrades who had been killed in battle. When they discovered these men were carrying “sacred tokens of the idols of Jamnia, which the law forbids the Jews to wear” (vs. 40), Judas and his companions discerned they had died as a punishment for sin. Therefore, Judas and his men “turned to prayer beseeching that the sin which had been committed might be wholly blotted out… He also took up a collection... and sent it to Jerusalem to provide for a sin offering. In doing this he acted very well and honorably… Therefore he made atonement for the dead, that they might be delivered from their sin.”

There are usually two immediate objections to the use of this text when talking with Protestants. First, they will dismiss any evidence presented therein because they do not accept the inspiration of Maccabees. And second, they will claim these men in Maccabees committed the sin of idolatry, which would be a mortal sin in Catholic theology. According to the Catholic Church, they would be in Hell where there is no possibility of atonement. Thus, and ironically so, they will say, Purgatory must be eliminated as a possible interpretation of this text if you’re Catholic.   

The Catholic Response:

Rejecting the inspiration and canonicity of II Maccabees does not negate its historical value. Maccabees aids us in knowing, purely from an historical perspective at the very least, the Jews believed in praying and making atonement for the dead shortly before the advent of Christ. This is the faith in which Jesus and the apostles were raised. And it is in this context Jesus declares in the New Testament:

And whoever says a word against the Son of man will be forgiven; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come (Matthew 12:32, emphasis added).

This declaration of our Lord implies there are at least some sins that can be forgiven in the next life to a people who already believed it. If Jesus wanted to condemn this teaching commonly taught in Israel, he was not doing a very good job of it according to St. Matthew’s Gospel.

The next objection presents a more complex problem. The punishment for mortal sin is, in fact, definitive self-exclusion from communion with God and the blessed in Hell according to Catholic teaching (see CCC 1030). But it is a non-sequitur to conclude from this teaching that II Maccabees could not be referring to a type of Purgatory.

First of all, a careful reading of the text reveals the sin of these men to be carrying small amulets “or sacred tokens of the idols of Jamnia” under their tunics as they were going in to battle. This would be closer to a Christian baseball player believing there is some kind of power in his performing superstitious rituals before going to bat than it would be to the mortal sin of idolatry. This was, most likely, a venial sin for them. But even if what they did would have been objectively grave matter, good Jews in ancient times—just like good Catholics today—believed they should always pray for the souls of those who have died “for thou [O Lord], thou only knowest the hearts of the children of men” (II Chr. 6:30). God alone knows the degree of culpability of these “sinners.” Moreover, some or all of them may have repented before they died. Both Jews and Catholic Christians always retain hope for the salvation of the deceased this side of heaven; thus, we always pray for those who have died.

A Plainer Text

In Matthew 5:24-25, Jesus is even more explicit about Purgatory.

Make friends quickly with your accuser, while you are going with him to court, lest your accuser hand you over to the judge, and the judge to the guard, and you be put in prison; truly I say to you, you will never get out till you have paid the last penny (Matthew 5:25-26).

For Catholics, Tertullian for example, in De Anima 58, written in ca. AD 208, this teaching is parabolic, using the well-known example of “prison” and the necessary penitence it represents, as a metaphor for Purgatorial suffering that will be required for lesser transgressions, represented by the “kodrantes” or “penny” of verse 26. But for many Protestants, our Lord is here giving simple instructions to his followers concerning this life exclusively. This has nothing to do with Purgatory.

This traditional Protestant interpretation is very weak contextually. These verses are found in the midst of the famous “Sermon on the Mount,” where our Lord teaches about heaven (vs. 20), hell (vs. 29-30), and both mortal (vs. 22) and venial sins (vs. 19), in a context that presents “the Kingdom of Heaven” as the ultimate goal (see verses 3-12). Our Lord goes on to say if you do not love your enemies, “what reward have you” (verse 46)? And he makes very clear these “rewards” are not of this world. They are “rewards from your Father who is in heaven” (6:1) or “treasures in heaven” (6:19). 

Further, as St. John points out in John 20:31, all Scripture is written “that believing, you may have [eternal] life in his name.” Scripture must always be viewed in the context of our full realization of the divine life in the world to come. Our present life is presented “as a vapor which appears for a little while, and afterwards shall vanish away” (James 1:17). It would seem odd to see the deeper and even “other worldly” emphasis throughout the Sermon of the Mount, excepting these two verses.

When we add to this the fact that the Greek word for prison, phulake, is the same word used by St. Peter, in I Peter 3:19, to describe the “holding place” into which Jesus descended after his death to liberate the detained spirits of Old Testament believers, the Catholic position makes even more sense. Phulake is demonstrably used in the New Testament to refer to a temporary holding place and not exclusively in this life.

The Plainest Text

I Corinthians 3:11-15 may well be the most straightforward text in all of Sacred Scripture when it comes to Purgatory:

For no other foundation can any one lay than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ. Now if any one builds on the foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble—each man’s work will become manifest; for the Day will disclose it, because it will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test what sort of work each one has done. If the work which any man has built on the foundation survives, he will receive a reward. If any man’s work is burned up, he will suffer loss, though he himself will be saved, but only as through fire.

No Christian sect I know of even attempts to deny this text speaks of the judgment of God where the works of the faithful will be tested after death. It says our works will go through “fire,” figuratively speaking. In Scripture, “fire” is used metaphorically in two ways: as a purifying agent (Mal. 3:2-3; Matt. 3:11; Mark 9:49); and as that which consumes (Matt. 3:12; 2 Thess. 1:7-8). So it is a fitting symbol here for God’s judgment. Some of the “works” represented are being burned up and some are being purified. These works survive or burn according to their essential “quality” (Gr. hopoiov - of what sort).

What is being referred to cannot be heaven because there are imperfections that need to be “burned up” (see again, Rev. 21:27, Hab. 1:13). It cannot be hell because souls are being saved. So what is it? The Protestant calls it “the Judgment” and we Catholics agree. We Catholics simply specify the part of the judgment of the saved where imperfections are purged as “Purgatory.”

Objection!

The Protestant respondent will immediately spotlight the fact that there is no mention, at least explicitly, of “the cleansing of sin” anywhere in the text. There is only the testing of works. The focus is on the rewards believers will receive for their service, not on how their character is cleansed from sin or imperfection. And the believers here watch their works go through the fire, but they escape it!

First, what are sins, but bad or wicked works (see Matthew 7:21-23, John 8:40, Galatians 5:19-21)? If these “works” do not represent sins and imperfections, why would they need to be eliminated? Second, it is impossible for a “work” to be cleansed apart from the human being who performed it. We are, in a certain sense, what we do when it comes to our moral choices. There is no such thing as a “work” floating around somewhere detached from a human being that could be cleansed apart from that human being. The idea of works being separate from persons does not make sense.

Most importantly, however, this idea of “works” being “burned up” apart from the soul that performed the work contradicts the text itself. The text does say the works will be tested by fire, but “if the work survives... he will receive a reward. If any man’s work is burned up, he shall suffer loss.” And, “he will be saved, but only as through fire” (Gr. dia puros). The truth is: both the works of the individual and the individual will go through the cleansing “fire” described by St. Paul in order that “he” might finally be saved and enter into the joy of the Lord. Sounds an awful lot like Purgatory.

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#101  Dick Martin - Frazeysburg, Ohio

Tim #99 Faith can only be applied where the Will of God is known. 1 john 5:14 exactly true. and Paul's thorn in the flesh story God didn't say No -He had already given Paul the Answer; My Grace is sufficient for you. Paul also knew the response that God was wanting to hear. God had given Paul Authority to command The messenger of Satan to flee from him. in his weakness Jesus is Strong. The Power of Christ can rest on us also. Can leave him and be lost statements: Matt.24:45-51 has nothing to do with being Lost and coming back ,these were servant of a master not SON's. Gal.5:4 Is someone who would not let go of the Law. The bible says "No one was ever justified by the law. Heb. 6:4-6 For it is Impossible to fall away. If they could fall away then there is no Hope. But there is no way you can fall away so there is confidence we can have. Would it be God's will that you have or not have. Heb. 10:26 If you receive the knowledge of the truth ( It didn't say you Believed the knowledge of the truth) you obviously rejected the truth, you not believing who Jesus is --There is no other sacrifice remaining to make you perfect in God's sight. 2 Peter 2: This whole chapter is about False Teachers - Knowing and having Knowledge is not Believing. You can fall up. Rom. 11: is about Israel's rejection of Jesus and the fulfillment of the Law. Every thing in the Gospels before Jesus's death was old testament. Under the Law. Now we are under GRACE. John 15 Is about bearing fruit or producing Good works. if there is no fruit produced then you are pruned and works are burned up (you suffer loss0 yet you are saved. Same in 1 Corth.3:15. ! John 2:24 Another ABIDE ( meaning The Father and Son and the born again believer is ONE WITH) He will never forsake You or leave you. No.100 You agree, you agree -HOWEVER means you don't agree. Didn't it say He took our Sins and Gave us his Sinlessness or ability to Stand With Jesus's Perfection and to ability to Go directly into the throne room of God with all our wants and desires. So what's however have to do with any thing. You cannot soil the Robe of Righteousness . This scripture says it plain. He who conquers will be robed in White garments. those are Born Again People. Soiled are not.

March 31, 2014 at 9:30 am PST
#102  Tim Staples - El Cajon, California - Catholic Answers Blogger

Dick,
This is my last post on this thread. There is nothing God could ever say to you to get you to change your mind. You have your man-made doctrines, and if God's word can't change your mind, I certainly cannot. So again, this is my last post here. I was encouraged that you acknowledged I John 5:14 to be "exactly true," as you said. That is one positive.
But when you said St. Paul actually had authority to command the messenger of Satan to flee from him, what can I say? St. Paul disagrees with you in II Cor. 12:7-10. He says God willed to send the messenger of Satan and when he asked the Lord to remove it, the Lord said his grace is sufficient. St. Paul acknowledged that this "weakness" and "infirmity" was allowed by God to keep him humble. But again, you have your belief. There is nothing St. Paul could ever say to change your mind.
When you said, "Matt.24:45-51 has nothing to do with being Lost and coming back, these were servant of a master not SON's." All I can say is, "Wow!" This is one of Jesus' many parables to teach the truth to us. It warns that anyone can fall away and be lost. You say it has nothing to do with Jesus. Jesus is only speaking of people who are serving some unknown "master" that is not Jesus. Wow! This goes to show what happens when people follow traditions of men. They then deny the word of God just as Jesus warned us in Mark 7:6-8.
When you said, "Gal.5:4 Is someone who would not let go of the Law," you are correct. But you missed the point. The people being spoken of were Christians who had "begun with the Spirit" (Gal. 3:3-5), and who he is exhorting "do not submit AGAIN to a yoke of slavery (Gal. 5:1). He says those who go back to the law to attempt to be saved, "fall from grace" (Gal. 5:4). You have to be in grace to fall from it.
As far as your interpretation of Heb. 6:4-6 goes, once again, you are simply denying what the text actually says because of your tradition. You say "if they could fall away then there is no hope." Huh?
When you say Heb. 10:26 says they "received" the knowledge of the truth, not that they "believed" the knowledge of the truth. Wow! Really?
First of all, the inspired author includes himself. "If WE sin willfully..." Second, how many times does the word of God use "receive" to mean to accept and it includes faith? I would suggest you do a word-study on "receive," "received," "receiving" in the New Testament. Here are a few examples to show you that "receive" here in Hebrews 10:26 means to "accept with faith." (Matt. 10:40; 13:20; 18:5; Mark 4:16; 9:37; 10:15; Luke 9:48; 9:53; 18:17; John 1:11; 12; 3:11; 27; 32; 33; 5:43; 12:48; 13:20; 14:17; 17:8; Acts 2:41; 8:14; 11:1; 17:11; Romans 3:25; I Cor. 2:14; 15:3; II Cor. 11:4; Gal. 1:9; 3:14; Phil. 4:9; Col. 2:6; I Thess. 1:6; 2:13; Rev. 3:3)
As I said before, there is no way the Bible could say it any plainer than it does, but you want to hold on to your traditions.
Because of your "faith alone" tradition (that denies James 2:24 explicitly), you go on to miss it badly here. You interpret "receiving the knowledge of the truth" to mean "rejecting the truth." There is nothing I can do to help you here. If the Bible says, "white," you will say "black" and then justify it.
I agree that the inspired author is warning people not to reject the truth of the New Covenant in order to go back to the Old Covenant law, sacrifices, circumcision etc., but this was about more than just faith. It was about the obedience that justifies and the disobedience that separates us from God as well (see Heb.4:6; 11; 5:8-9; 10:35-38, etc.).
It is true that Hebrews is warning Christians not to leave the Mass (the one sacrifice of Christ) to attempt to go back to the Old Covenant sacrifices that could never take away sins (Heb. 10:1-11). So if they do, then there is "no sacrifice for sins" for them because they are rejecting the true sacrifice. But you are missing the point of the warning. Christians can fall away from the truth after having received it.
Then you claim that II Peter 2:20-22 represents people who did not "believe." They only "knew about the Lord" but they were not really saved. This is simply not true. II Peter 2:20-22 uses the same language of II Peter 1:1-4, in describing Christians, so that there can be no doubt that these people who "have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of our Lord and Savior" were Christians (compare II Peter 1:1-4 - Peter 2:20-22).
When you say "everything in the Gospels before Jesus' death was Old Testament," all I can say is, "Wow!" Really? Jesus IS the New Covenant, but he was old Covenant? Jesus is God, but forget about everything he taught? That was Old Testament? This is not worth refuting. But I will say this. At least you are honest and admit that you reject the teachings of Jesus Christ. Now we see your tradition by which you justify it. All I can say here is be warned. No number of traditions of men can nullify Jesus' word. He said "heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall never pass away" (Matt. 24:35). You can reject his words as "Old Testament" all you want, but you will judged by them, and you will discover one way or the other, that they are God's word that bind you.
As far as Romans 11 goes, you are correct it speaks of Israel's rejection of God and the Gentiles being received. However, what you miss is the fact that St. Paul then applies this rejection to the lives of individual Christians and warns all of us that we too can fall away, as individuals (read Romans 11:17-24, and note how many times he speaks of individual "branches" and "you" singular).
You are correct that we are not under "the law," but under grace. But that (you refer to Romans 6:14) refers to the Old Covenant law. We are under "the law of Christ" (I Cor. 9:21; Gal. 6:2; Romans 8:1-4; I Cor. 7:19; Matt. 19:16).
You are correct that John 15 "is about bearing fruit or producing good works." And there is a valid connection between this text and I Cor. 3:15. However, where you miss it is that this text does not only speak of the possibility of Purgatory, it also speaks of Hell for those who does not continue to "abide in him." Those will be cast into the fire. Purgatory is for those who are in Christ. Those who are not in Christ will end in Hell. That is what John 15:6 is about.
There is no question in I John 2:24 as to whether God will leave us. He will "never leave us nor forsake us" as Heb.13:5 says (and by the way, that is citing Deut. 31:6, but that did not mean that Israel could not walk away from him). I John 2:24 is teaching the fact that we have to continue to choose to "abide in him." This is not about him "forsaking us;" This is about us choosing to walk away from him.
When you say, "Didn't it say He took our Sins and Gave us his Sinlessness or ability to Stand With Jesus's Perfection and to ability to Go directly into the throne room of God with all our wants and desires." You are basically correct here, though you word it strangely. But then you conclude from this that "you cannot soil the Robe of Righteousness?" Huh?
The fact that Jesus "took away our sins" and offers his obedience for our disobedience has nothing to do with us having to allow him into our lives in order for all of that to be effective in our lives. We have to continue to "walk in the light as he is in the light" in order for that to be so (I John 1:7-9).
Finally, I love the way you quote Rev. 3:5 and ignore the first 4 verses. Oy vey!
I have thoroughly enjoyed this discussion, but I see now that it has reached the end. You have amazed me with your ability to obfuscate the truth for your tradition. I am sure I will hear from you on other threads, but I will not comment again on this one.
God Bless!

March 31, 2014 at 5:42 pm PST
#103  Dick Martin - Frazeysburg, Ohio

How ever We then begin to sin. There is you problem .
Romans 6:7-11
For he who has died has been freed from sin.
Now if we died with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with Him,
knowing that Christ, having been raised from the dead, dies no more. Death no longer has dominion over Him.
For the death that He died, He died to sin once for all; but the life that He lives, He lives to God.
Likewise you also, reckon yourselves to be dead indeed to sin, but alive to God in Christ Jesus our Lord. Do you believe This? When you receive Jesus and are born from above; the HOLY SPIRIT becomes One With Your Spirit. You are Dead to SIN. You are accounted unto Righteousness. This is not only the Good News ; it' the best. Does not sound AWFUL Catholic to me.

April 2, 2014 at 8:14 am PST
#104  Dick Martin - Frazeysburg, Ohio

If you think you are saved by Grace +WORKS, then you do not have Grace to begin with. You can't fall from Grace if you never had it at all. Once you understand Grace and Righteousness you can receive it . What negates receiving it is you have to believe how God's plan works. "My People perish from a lack of Knowledge". Once you understand what the sacrifice covers then You should not have to ask over and over again. The Throne Room is open any time so you can go directly to your "ABBA" Father. The Bible say's when Jesus Died He took our place. It was you shedding blood at that moment . To confess to a priest is not necessary or burning candles or incense. We are a new creation in Christ, with a new Nature, not the old (sinful) nature. What do you think Jesus meant when He said He would set you FREE. Rom. 8:2.

April 6, 2014 at 12:16 pm PST
#105  Christopher Travis - Huntsville, Alabama

1Timothy 3:15...the church of the living God is the pillar and foundation of the truth! Do you believe that?

Mat 18:15...if a member refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church, and if he refuses to listen to the church let such a one be to you as a Gentile or tax collector! Do you believe that?

John 6:53...amen amen I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, you do not have life within you! Do you believe that?

2 Peter 1:20 ....know this first of all , that there is no prophecy of scripture that is a matter of self interpretation! Do you believe that?

Malachi 1:11... From the rising of the sun to its setting, my name is great upon the nations, incense offerings are made to my name everywhere! Uh oh Dick!

James 5:16 ...therefore, confess your sins to one another and pray for one another that you may be healed! Uh oh again!

Once again failure to recognize ALL of Scripture is a colossal mistake. The more you blog Dick the more it opens eyes to the FULLNESS of the truth. Jesus wasn't joking when He said the gates of hell would never prevail against who? THE CHURCH ! Ain't but one church Jesus founded and it wasn't the church of Dick.

April 6, 2014 at 8:43 pm PST
#106  Dick Martin - Frazeysburg, Ohio

The Church of the Living God is not the latest version of the pedophile Church who believes ancient pagan rituals. Men who are looking for a position to position themselves for their own fulfillment. Moving them to a different location so they can continue. If you belong to that type you are just as guilty. The Church your quoting is( the Living People) that are Born Again and the pillar of truth. For sure. When we leave this planet in the Rapture of the Church, if your feet lift-off you'll know the Answer. If they don't you better go back and read my blog over and over Matt. 18:15 You may not have known but the Gospels are OLD TESTAMENT. Jesus didn't know any thing about the Dispensation of Grace and Righteousness. We are living in the NEW Testament Today. A better Covenant based one better promises. Have you heard of "KENOSIS". Jesus Emptied Himself of all status of the Godhead and put on Himself Humanity so He was able to Die.
Philippians 2:7-8
but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men.
And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death, even the death of the cross.
Acts 10:38
how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and with power, who went about doing good and healing all who were oppressed by the devil, for God was with Him. Why did God anoint Jesus with the holy Ghost and Power if He was Totally God. There are dozens of scriptures similar. Why did He pray a lot to the Father? John 6:53 The bible says God has wings , does that make Him a Chicken? 2 Peter 1:20 You said you were Spirit filled didn't you ? One of the Gifts of the spirit is the Gift of Prophesy. Speaking in Tongues and the interpretation of tongues. The Holy Spirit who wrote the bible and my Spirit and the holy Spirit are ONE. This is a New covenant reality- Holy Spirit Never made His Abode in Anyone until the Church was formed. ACTS:2 Incense was OLD TEST. We can go directly with our prayers. Once is enough- God can handle it. Repetition of prayers are a waste of Time. Same as prayer wheels to a false God in Himalayans. or whirling dervish. James5:16 Our Sin's have been forgiven at the Cross. It's settled. Other scriptures say if we have fault or odds with someone go and correct it so you can receive Healing. Healing is Part of Redemption. LOVE IN JESUS- ( The Church of Dick)

April 7, 2014 at 1:42 pm PST
#107  Christopher Travis - Huntsville, Alabama

That's very kind of you Dick, first class all the way!!!

April 7, 2014 at 7:38 pm PST
#108  Dick Martin - Frazeysburg, Ohio

Truth never hurts . Just make a correction in you LIFE. Get a Life.

April 8, 2014 at 8:14 am PST
#109  Christopher Travis - Huntsville, Alabama

My life is my faith, your life is attacking other peoples faith by saying nasty things. You are foul and lack the spirit of charity. You should head over to blogs where there are like minded people and stop pestering Catholics.

April 12, 2014 at 7:54 pm PST
#110  Dick Martin - Frazeysburg, Ohio

My life is my Faith. That is your problem. Faith can only be believed where the WILL of GOD is known. Your life is based on your will and the will of the church. You BELIEVE what the church tells you about God. God's word is God telling you about Himself. Which are you going to believe GOS'S WORD or the church. there is obviously a difference. you should head on over where there are like minded people so we can pester more Catholics. love in Christ

April 15, 2014 at 6:58 am PST
#111  Christopher Travis - Huntsville, Alabama

Yes Dick, my life is my faith. Everything in my life is devoted too and revolves around Christ, my Saviour. If that's my problem then I couldn't think of a better problem to have!!! Despite our differences in theology you are still my brother in Christ, so I hope you and your family have a great Easter!! May the peace and love of Christ be with you!!!

April 16, 2014 at 5:41 am PST
#112  Dick Martin - Frazeysburg, Ohio

# 99 Paul was pleading for relief ;of which he knew what God's answer would be. Grace is all you need.
2 Corinthians 12:8-9
Concerning this thing I pleaded with the Lord three times that it might depart from me.
And He said to me, “My grace is sufficient for you, for My strength is made perfect in weakness.” Therefore most gladly I will rather boast in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.
Matthew 26:39-43 Jesus pleaded with the Father for relief also but He knew the answer also.
He went a little farther and fell on His face, and prayed, saying, “O My Father, if it is possible, let this cup pass from Me; nevertheless, not as I will, but as You will.”
Then He came to the disciples and found them sleeping, and said to Peter, “What! Could you not watch with Me one hour?
Watch and pray, lest you enter into temptation. The spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak.”
Again, a second time, He went away and prayed, saying, “O My Father, if this cup cannot pass away from Me unless I drink it, Your will be done.”
And He came and found them asleep again, for their eyes were heavy. You can't soil the rob of righteousness. It is what you receive when you become Born Again. You don't have to Work for it. Rev.3 It is speaking about your dead works," I've NOT found your Works perfect in God's sight, REPENT. Then there are others who Have garments White as snow.
Isaiah 1:18
“Come now, and let us reason together,” Says the Lord, “Though your sins are like scarlet, They shall be as white as snow; Though they are red like crimson, They shall be as wool.
Romans 3:22
even the righteousness of God, through faith in Jesus Christ, to all and on all who believe. For there is no difference; Receive Righteousness through Faith-To ALL - And on All when you receive Eternal Life.

April 16, 2014 at 11:44 am PST
#113  Ged Narvaez - Daraga, Albay

That's Catholic!=)

April 22, 2014 at 7:21 am PST
#114  Ged Narvaez - Daraga, Albay

Yes, Grace is what we need. Go therefore, and let the holy sacraments of Our Lord, be known and made. An outward and visible sign of inward and spiritual divine Grace be upon Us.

Siblings in Christ. Please let us not fight with each other but be united All and on all. please

April 22, 2014 at 7:43 am PST
#115  Dick Martin - Frazeysburg, Ohio

Faith is SPEAKING things into existence, that do not exist. God is a Faith God. In Gen.1 He SAID to things that did not exist, and spoke them into being. Heavens, Earth, Sun, Moon, Stars. Animals, Man; etc. He made Man to be a Faith Being. All thru History Man has exercised Faith by Speaking things that do not exist as though they Do. Jesus Spoke to Storms, Water into wine, Blind to see, Just SAY the Word and my servant will be healed. Speak to this mountain be removed. Cripple to walk, Deaf to hear. Zacharias is made mute because of his unbelief; not believing the Angel's message about His wife's pregnancy.; could speak after Her delivery. Speaking and agreeing with God's Word is very powerful.
Matthew 12:34-37
For out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks.
A good man out of the good treasure of his heart brings forth good things, and an evil man out of the evil treasure brings forth evil things.
But I say to you that for every idle word men may speak, they will give account of it in the day of judgment.
For by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned.”
Isaiah 55:11
So shall My word be that goes forth from My mouth; It shall not return to Me void, But it shall accomplish what I please, And it shall prosper in the thing for which I sent it. Speaking Faith Words is How God is pleased. He wants us to speak His will INTO existence. His Will is that all Men be Saved. Each individual Must confess (Speak) Jesus's sacrifice be applied to Himself and believe Who Jesus is and what He has accomplished. This is the Most important statement you will ever Speak. You can Speak yourself right into Heaven.
Romans 10:8-10
But what does it say? “The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart” (that is, the word of faith which we preach):
that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.
For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
Romans 10:13
For “whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved.” There is no other Way. Jesus did All the Work; all we have to do is believe it and receive it by speaking it. Thank you JESUS.

April 23, 2014 at 9:31 am PST
#116  Christopher Travis - Huntsville, Alabama

Yes, all God has to do is say the Word and His will be done, just as in Genesis and all the many miracles Christ did, such as turning the bread and wine into His flesh and blood. Amen.

April 23, 2014 at 4:13 pm PST
#117  Dick Martin - Frazeysburg, Ohio

Chris: by your comment you are showing your age. I shared with you for your Enrichment.
1 Corinthians 3:1-3
And I, brethren, could not speak to you as to spiritual people but as to carnal, as to babes in Christ.
I fed you with milk and not with solid food; for until now you were not able to receive it, and even now you are still not able;
for you are still carnal. For where there are envy, strife, and divisions among you, are you not carnal and behaving like mere men?
Hebrews 5:12-14
For though by this time you ought to be teachers, you need someone to teach you again the first principles of the oracles of God; and you have come to need milk and not solid food.
For everyone who partakes only of milk is unskilled in the word of righteousness, for he is a babe.
But solid food belongs to those who are of full age, that is, those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.

April 24, 2014 at 2:28 pm PST
#118  Erik Martin - O'Fallon, Missouri

So I stumbled upon this by accident when I was looking something up for school. I may not be the most well educated on the teachings of the bible, only barely making it past the table of contents, but I noticed throughout the comments, many people were saying that the Protestants are wrong, and that Catholics are right. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the main difference between the many religions of today, as far as the ones that study the Bible are concerned, is that is that it is an opinion based off of their interpretations of the Bible. And having said that, faith and religion are really just ones own beliefs about the unknown, and in order to have the truth 100%, one would have to die before they actually know the truth. I am religious myself, but it irks me to see that Catholics tell others that they're wrong. I do side with the Catholics, but I find it wrong that they believe they have the right to tell others they're wrong. Personally, I believe that everyone is entitled to think as they like, but no one has the right to tell someone they're wrong unless its an obvious fault, like two plus four is a monkey in a tree. Also, I had a question that I was too lazy to google. When I skimmed through the Bible, I never caught wind of them saying what would happen to soldiers, who fight in wars and kill people. Technically, killing is a bad thing, but as far as defending your country, I don't see that as a sin, as long as its not an unnecessary death.(I.e. needlessly killing civilians or wounded soliders that pose no threat.) Do these people go to hell for the people they've killed, or does God cut them a little slack?

April 25, 2014 at 8:42 am PST
#119  Dick Martin - Frazeysburg, Ohio

Erik: Martin is a Excellent Name. Are you a Seeker of Truth? I could not possibly answer your questions in 1 or 2 paragraphs. You must apply FAITH to believing. Faith is seeking, finding and believing what you don't see at the present time, then the evidence will appear. God is a Faith God. It's impossible to please Him without Faith. The bible is written (inspired) By God thru men who physically wrote it down. The Bible is our instruction manual for living this life and believe (faith) how to get to Heaven. The Bible says that; "Faith comes by hearing, hearing by the word of God. A lot of religions have their own Books Not written by God but by Men only. Such as Book of Mormons, the Watchtower, Koran, Catechism, Pearl of great price, etc. Men explaining what they think about God and his plan. The Bible is 6,000 years of God dealing with man. He wrote it for our instruction, why would He make it so difficult that we could not comprehend it. If you seek Him with all your heart God will reveal to you LIFE, Abundant Life. God is very narrow minded, He can be, he's always right. The only thing you must do to go to heaven is accept Jesus.

April 25, 2014 at 2:03 pm PST
#120  Ged Narvaez - Daraga, Albay

To tell you the truth, an unconfessed mortal sin leads him to his pitfall. This is the logic of own free choice. It is murder that chains Him. By saying and believing he has faith in God, but not cooperating (e.g. no repentance, unfaithfulness, being uncharitable, disobedience, presuming forgiveness and continuing grave sins, being hateful and not loving) in the power of God, His Divine Works, is indeed not truly faith in God.

Try to read to CCC 2258 -2283 Respect for Human Life, CCC 2284-2301 Respect for the Dignity of Persons. 2302-2317 (Just War Doctrine) Safeguarding Peace.

In brief, CCC 2318 "In [God's] hand is the life of every living thing and the breath of all mankind" (Job 12:10). CCC 2319 Every human life, from the moment of conception until death, is sacred because the human person has been willed for its own sake in the image and likeness of the living and holy God. CCC 2320 The murder of a human being is gravely contrary to the dignity of the person and the holiness of the Creator. CCC 2321 The prohibition of murder does not abrogate the right to render an unjust aggressor unable to inflict harm. Legitimate defense is a grave duty for whoever is responsible for the lives of others or the common good.

May 10, 2014 at 11:12 pm PST
#121  Dick Martin - Frazeysburg, Ohio

Ged: Do you not know that Jesus came to fulfill the Law? Do you not know that the Righteous in Christ are not under the Law?
1 Timothy 1:8-11
But we know that the law is good if one uses it lawfully,
knowing this: that the law is not made for a righteous person, but for the lawless and insubordinate, for the ungodly and for sinners, for the unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,
for fornicators, for sodomites, for kidnappers, for liars, for perjurers, and if there is any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine,
according to the glorious gospel of the blessed God which was committed to my trust. Righteousness is not in the Catechism and is not taught in any of my 12 yrs. of Catholic School or even Today. I've shared this in a lot of Blogs and have had no one to explain it according to Bible definition. This Word is critical to your salvation.
Romans 5:12-13
Therefore, just as through one man sin entered the world, and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men, because all sinned—
(For until the law sin was in the world, but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
Romans 5:20-21
Moreover the law entered that the offense might abound. But where sin abounded, grace abounded much more,
so that as sin reigned in death, even so grace might reign through righteousness to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. Did you know that sin comes from the law? Absents of the law there is no Offence. Do you know that the very smallest sin is as big as the biggest sin ? All sin keeps you out of Heaven. If Jesus is your Savior ; Sin is no longer a Problem. Jesus came to make you Free. Free from what? God does not want you to struggle through life-Being IN then OUT. The Church Does not want you to know this because they want to control you. COME OUT.

May 11, 2014 at 2:18 pm PST
#122  Ged Narvaez - Daraga, Albay

"Do you not know that Jesus came to fulfill the Law? Do you not know that the Righteous in Christ are not under the Law?"

-Yes, and yes, I know.

But didn't you know that the righteous person, is genuinely righteous because he can follow the law.
Is the law made to be broken? If its is, then it is not a law. Is he himself the reason that anyone can violate the law, thus no honor the law? No! Christ is very clear on that.. He even allow himself to be baptized!

Jesus came, though not subject to Law, but fulfill His own law. Does this allow us to disregard His law, God's law? If your truly in Christ, you will also fulfill his law, such as God himself fulfills them, though he is not under the law, as a humble example.

Are you a true follower of Christ? Then follow Christ!

Chawder: I can pass the entrance test.Don't worry... It's just all about enthusiasm..

"Righteousness is not in the Catechism and is not taught in any of my 12 yrs. of Catholic School or even Today. I've shared this in a lot of Blogs and have had no one to explain it according to Bible definition. This Word is critical to your salvation."

-That's a pretty neat trick. Just because you said it, it doesn't mean that it's not there. It's alarming that you don't hear and listen to your teachers very well.

"Therefore, just as through one man sin entered the world, and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men, because all sinned—"

-Yes, that's it!

"(For until the law sin was in the world, but sin is not imputed when there is no law."

-Um, by nature, Law is there. You cannot say by yourself nor create your own -a no law. Father, in unity and in trintity created divine laws. Even Jesus is so humble that he follow his Law. Why us, said faithful servants of Christ, do not follow.

"Did you know that sin comes from the law?"

-Your wrong here pal. It is from its omission, it is from His choice to offense.

Joker of the Century: If I faithfully follow the Law, I receive the sin. If I do not the will and spirit of the Law, I receive nothing. Therefore sin comes from the Law.

"Absents of the law there is no Offence."

-Again, you cannot on you own nor create own -a no law. Reason tells us that such is not sound.

"Do you know that the very smallest sin is as big as the biggest sin ?"

-The weighing scale have spoken.

"If Jesus is your Savior ; Sin is no longer a Problem. Jesus came to make you Free. Free from what? God does not want you to struggle through life-Being IN then OUT. The Church Does not want you to know this because they want to control you."

-Your very presumptuous.

Jesus is Our Savior. Jesus is Our Example. Jesus is humble, Jesus is Life, Jesus is Obedient, Jesus is Just, Jesus is Our Teacher, Jesus is not a Lawbreaker. Why are not following Jesus?

COME IN.

May 11, 2014 at 6:29 pm PST
#123  Dick Martin - Frazeysburg, Ohio

What a contradiction. Yes you agree. Yes you agree. Then the next line you say: Righteous are righteous because he follows the Law. If Jesus fulfilled the law , why are you trying to keep the Law. Shows you don't know a thing about scripture. The Law was made strong enough that everyone will offend it in some degree and that makes you a sinner in need of a Savior. everyone try's to work to please God and ask him for forgiveness. Your Whimpering, Tears, pleadings, confessing your sin is not sufficient to please or satisfy God. God provided Jesus your Savior to pay the price you could not afford to pay. NOTHING else will satisfy. Without Him you will have to pay for your own Sins-IN HELL. you will receive Justice. With Jesus you will receive Mercy. Where there is no Law there is no offence. Romans 5:13 --Sin is not imputed where there is NO LAW. What's the natural law have any thing with anything? we are talking about Spiritual law. This is in the word of God, So you will be without any excuse if you say you didn't know. This is no JOKER.???? Can any one help this poor boy. . Are their any born again Catholics out there. Not ones that were water baptized. Water baptism is a work preformed. Water baptism does not Save You ;JESUS does. You have to have a heart (Spirit), Nature change.

May 13, 2014 at 2:44 pm PST
#124  Ged Narvaez - Daraga, Albay

Barnes: For until the law ... - This verse, with the following verses to the 17th, is usually regarded as a parenthesis. The Law here evidently means the Law given by Moses. "Until the commencement of that administration, or state of things under the law." To see the reason why he referred to this period between Adam and the Law, we should recall the design of the apostle, which is, to show the exceeding grace of God in the gospel, abounding, and superabounding, as a complete remedy for all the evils introduced by sin. For this purpose he introduces three leading conditions, or states, where people sinned, and where the effects of sin were seen; in regard to each and all of which the grace of the gospel superabounded. The first was that of Adam, with its attendant train of ills Romans 5:12, which ills were all met by the death of Christ, Romans 5:15-18. The second period or condition was that long interval in which men had only the light of nature, that period occurring between Adam and Moses. This was a fair representation of the condition of the world without revelation, and without law, Romans 5:13-14. Sin then reigned - reigned everywhere where there was no law. But the grace of the gospel abounded over the evils of this state of man. The third was under the Law, Romans 5:20. The Law entered, and sin was increased, and its evils abounded. But the gospel of Christ abounded even over this, and grace triumphantly reigned. So that the plan of justification met all the evils of sin, and was adapted to remove them; sin and its consequences as flowing from Adam; sin and its consequences when there was no written revelation; and sin and its consequences under the light and terrors of the Law.
Sin was in the world - People sinned. They did what was evil.

But sin is not imputed - Is not charged against people, or they are not held guilty of it where there is no law. This is a self-evident proposition, for sin is a violation of law; and if there is no law, there can be no wrong. Assuming this as a self-evident proposition, the connection is, that there must have been a law of some kind; a "law written on their hearts," since sin was in the world, and people could not be charged with sin, or treated as sinners, unless there was some law. The passage here states a great and important principle, that people will not be held to be guilty unless there is a law which binds them of which they are apprized, and which they voluntarily transgress; see the note at Romans 4:15. This verse, therefore, meets an objection that might be started from what had been said in Romans 4:15. The apostle had affirmed that "where no law is there is no transgression." He here stated that all were sinners. It might be objected, that as during this long period of time they had no law, they could not be stoners. To meet this, he says that people were then in fact sinners, and were treated as such, which showed that there must have been a law.

Poor boy: Sorry that I used 122 reflective and insightful form. Does 124 make you reasonable now?

May 13, 2014 at 7:52 pm PST
#125  Ged Narvaez - Daraga, Albay

Romans 2:13-16: For it is not the hearers of the law who are righteous before God, but the doers of the law who will be justified … on that day when, according to my gospel, God judges the secrets of men by Jesus Christ.

Romans 6:16: Do you not know that if you yield yourselves to anyone as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one whom you obey, either of sin, which leads to death, or of obedience which leads to righteousness? (Greek dikaiosunen, "justification")

Matthew 10:22: And you will be hated of all men for my name’s sake. But he who endures to the end will be saved.

Romans 13:11: For salvation is nearer to us now than when we first believed.

God is light and in him is no darkness at all. If we say we have fellowship with him, while we walk in darkness, we lie and do not live according to the truth; but if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus his Son cleanses us from all sin. (1 John 1:5-7)

justification is revealed in Scripture to be a process rather than a mere one-time event.

May 14, 2014 at 5:23 am PST
#126  Dick Martin - Frazeysburg, Ohio

Romans 8:2
For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death. The Law of sin and death are-The Law of Moses; the ten commandments. It was replaced by a New Law; The law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus. As you reference stated. Where there is no Law there is no Sin. Sin is not accounted to us who are IN Jesus. IN Him is those who have truly been Born again. God sees Jesus in our place; prefect , blameless , righteous. Have you ever played a neighborhood game where the captain's chose sides. If you are In jesus ,He will chose you to be on His team. Actually You were chosen before Creation because God saw your life in advance (He knows all things). Sin is not the problem; it has been dealt with. The question is what have you done with Jesus. You can't do any thing with Jesus until you know what he's done for you when you wwere still a Sinner. Or as you refer to them as stoners.

May 14, 2014 at 5:31 am PST
#127  Ged Narvaez - Daraga, Albay

Gospel of Paul (see Rom 16:25) finds its center in salvation and justification through faith in Christ (Rom 1:16–17). While God’s wrath is revealed against all sin and wickedness of Gentile and Jew alike (Rom 1:18–3:20), God’s power to save by divine righteous or justifying action in Christ is also revealed (Rom 1:16–17; 3:21–5:21). The consequences and implications for those who believe are set forth (Rom 6:1–8:39)as are results for those in Israel (Rom 9–11) who, to Paul’s great sorrow (Rom 9:1–5), disbelieve. The apostle’s hope is that, just as rejection of the gospel by some in Israel has led to a ministry of salvation for non-Jews, so one day, in God’s mercy, “all Israel” will be saved (Rom 11:11–15, 25–29, 30–32). The fuller ethical response of believers is also drawn out, both with reference to life in Christ’s body (Rom 12) and with regard to the world (Rom 13:1–7), on the basis of the eschatological situation (Rom 13:11–14) and conditions in the community (Rom 14:1–15:13).

May 14, 2014 at 6:08 am PST
#128  Ged Narvaez - Daraga, Albay

Christian Life
Freed from sin; Life in God
* What then shall we say? Shall we persist in sin that grace may abound? Of course not!a
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How can we who died to sin yet live in it?b
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Or are you unaware that we who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death?c
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We were indeed buried with him through baptism into death, so that, just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, we too might live in newness of life.d

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For if we have grown into union with him through a death like his, we shall also be united with him in the resurrection.e
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We know that our old self was crucified with him, so that our sinful body might be done away with, that we might no longer be in slavery to sin.f
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For a dead person has been absolved from sin.
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If, then, we have died with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him.g
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We know that Christ, raised from the dead, dies no more; death no longer has power over him.h
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As to his death, he died to sin once and for all; as to his life, he lives for God.i
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Consequently, you too must think of yourselves as [being] dead to sin and living for God in Christ Jesus.j
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* Therefore, sin must not reign over your mortal bodies so that you obey their desires.k
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And do not present the parts of your bodies to sin as weapons for wickedness, but present yourselves to God as raised from the dead to life and the parts of your bodies to God as weapons for righteousness.l
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For sin is not to have any power over you, since you are not under the law but under grace.m
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What then? Shall we sin because we are not under the law but under grace? Of course not!n
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Do you not know that if you present yourselves to someone as obedient slaves,o you are slaves of the one you obey, either of sin, which leads to death, or of obedience, which leads to righteousness?p
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But thanks be to God that, although you were once slaves of sin, you have become obedient from the heart to the pattern of teaching to which you were entrusted.*
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Freed from sin, you have become slaves of righteousness.
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I am speaking in human terms because of the weakness of your nature. For just as you presented the parts of your bodies as slaves to impurity and to lawlessness for lawlessness, so now present them as slaves to righteousness for sanctification.
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q For when you were slaves of sin, you were free from righteousness.*
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But what profit did you get then from the things of which you are now ashamed? For the end of those things is death.r
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But now that you have been freed from sin and have become slaves of God, the benefit that you have leads to sanctification,* and its end is eternal life.s
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For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

May 14, 2014 at 6:14 am PST
#129  Ged Narvaez - Daraga, Albay

* [6:1–11] To defend the gospel against the charge that it promotes moral laxity (cf. Rom 3:5–8), Paul expresses himself in the typical style of spirited diatribe. God’s display of generosity or grace is not evoked by sin but, as stated in Rom 5:8 is the expression of God’s love, and this love pledges eternal life to all believers (Rom 5:21). Paul views the present conduct of the believers from the perspective of God’s completed salvation when the body is resurrected and directed totally by the holy Spirit. Through baptism believers share the death of Christ and thereby escape from the grip of sin. Through the resurrection of Christ the power to live anew becomes reality for them, but the fullness of participation in Christ’s resurrection still lies in the future. But life that is lived in dedication to God now is part and parcel of that future. Hence anyone who sincerely claims to be interested in that future will scarcely be able to say, “Let us sin so that grace may prosper” (cf. Rom 6:1).

May 14, 2014 at 6:17 am PST
#130  Dick Martin - Frazeysburg, Ohio

Ephesians 1:13-14
In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise,
who is the guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory.
Many more scriptures as one time event. Your mixing Salvation and Maturing as a Christian.

May 14, 2014 at 7:59 am PST
#131  Ged Narvaez - Daraga, Albay

The majestic chapters of Ephesians emphasize the unity in the church of Christ that has come about for both Jews and Gentiles within God’s household (Eph 1:15–2:22, especially Eph 2:11–22) and indeed the “seven unities” of church, Spirit, hope; one Lord, faith, and baptism; and the one God (Eph 4:4–6). Yet the concern is not with the church for its own sake but rather as the means for mission in the world (Eph 3:1–4:24). The gifts Christ gives its members are to lead to growth and renewal (Eph 4:7–24). Ethical admonition is not lacking either; all aspects of human life and relationships are illumined by the light of Christ (Eph 4:25–6:20).

May 14, 2014 at 8:08 pm PST
#132  Dick Martin - Frazeysburg, Ohio

Are you standing on a street corner beating your chest? I was talking about Eph.1-13,14 not 1:15 on and on thru 6:20.

May 15, 2014 at 7:30 am PST
#133  Ged Narvaez - Daraga, Albay

Please do not discredit and spoil the gospel. You have said many more scriptures. I am stating part of ephesians that you have not cited.
Also read James, this will definitely reveal what you are trying to hide.

James 1:22-27

But be doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves. For if anyone is a hearer of the word and not a doer, he is like a man who looks intently at his natural face in a mirror. For he looks at himself and goes away and at once forgets what he was like. But the one who looks into the perfect law, the law of liberty, and perseveres, being no hearer who forgets but a doer who acts, he will be blessed in his doing. If anyone thinks he is religious and does not bridle his tongue but deceives his heart, this person's religion is worthless.

James 2:14-24

What good is it, my brothers, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can that faith save him? If a brother or sister is poorly clothed and lacking in daily food, and one of you says to them, “Go in peace, be warmed and filled,” without giving them the things needed for the body, what good is that? So also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead. But someone will say, “You have faith and I have works.” Show me your faith apart from your works, and I will show you my faith by my works.

I will no longer post in this blog. You have heard enough. May God enlighten you.

May 15, 2014 at 7:02 pm PST
#134  Christopher Travis - Huntsville, Alabama

Prediction: Dick will say works are for rewards only. Then he will tell us James was talking about works when not already saved vs saved, although James mentions that nowhere.

The whole message of the Gospels is to be a doer, thus the two greatest COMMANDMENTS...(not sugestions)

Matthew 22:36-40

Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the law? Jesus replied "Love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and all your mind. This is the GREATEST AND FIRST COMMANDMENT. The second is like it, you shall love your neighbor as yourself. The whole law and the prophets depend on these two commandments."

Even the most simple minded can figure that one out. For what else can the greatest and the first mean? It can only mean one thing... It is at the top, nothing is of more importance. NOTHING in all of Scripture is above or takes precidence over this commandment, absolutley nothing! Not crying Lord, Lord, with your mouth, not being baptised, not reading Scripture, NOT ANYTHING! This is it, the whole enchilada, this is why we were created! To LOVE AND SERVE our Lord. There is no other reason Dick! God knows who He is, He doesn't need you just professing who He is, He doesn't just want you to tell Him who He is, He already knows who He is, but He wants you to show Him how much you love Him, just like He shows you! It is so simple!!!!!!! I can tell my wife I love her and profess it from the mountain tops with my mouth all day long, but my love for her WITHOUT WORKS is dead, my love would be meaningless if I didn't do the things it takes to show her I love her. Come on Dick, are you going to tell me you fulfill this greatest and first commandment with just your mouth and a one time experience? Really? Are you going to tell me you are above this FIRST AND GREATEST commandment, that you can announce you are saved and the commndment no longer applies to you? I have some harsh words for you if you believe you deserve eternal life with our Lord and dont have to love Him after all He has done for you! My gosh, He didn't suffer and die for you to sit upon your thrown and cry "look at me, I'm saved, I can do what I want, or not do anything at all." That is arrogant, disrespectful, and in no way is a reflection of being a true Christian. It stinks of individualism and minimalism and is loath!

LOVE GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART, MIND AND SOUL, LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF, PICK UP YOUR CROSS, FEED THE HUNGRY, CLOTHE THE NAKED, WELCOME THE STRANGER, CARE FOR THE SICK AND IMPRISONED...LOVE LOVE LOVE AND LOVE SOME MORE!!!!!!

Your mouth or qouting Scripture is not what makes you holy, your actions speak louder than words! And without holliness, NOTHING shall enter the Kingdom of God for eternity!

Now I am done with you Dick, and no Scripture you quote or argument will be worth your time, for the Lord has told me LOVE is the greatest commandment, not professing, and none of the law or prophets mean a thing without it! God bless and have a good day!

May 16, 2014 at 3:00 am PST
#135  Dick Martin - Frazeysburg, Ohio

I never said anything about my Good works Preformed after I was born again because I didn’t think it was proper to be so prideful. 1 Peter 5:5-7 be clothed with humility, for“God resists the proud, But gives grace to the humble.” Therefore humble yourselves under the mighty hand of God, that He may exalt you in due time, casting all your care upon Him, for H cares for you. From the time I can remember ,I was raised to be aware of treating the Elderly, Women, Crippled. Honor those in authority, Teachers, Employers, Religious, etc. Doing works unto God who deserves our very best. I thought The Works would Help get me closer to God and Heaven. The Bible teaches that With out Jesus your works doesn’t even register with God. Bible Teaches we are Lost and Separated. Before you become Born again all your Works are called Dead Works. The Same works after your saved are Called Good works. Jesus is the one who should be the center of you Life. I do Works every day but it has nothing to do with your ability to get to Heaven. I do the same works and there called GOOD WORKS. Faith and Works go together. When you are not saved faith and works =0. Add Jesus to the recipe and your faith and works = Good. Jesus = Heaven and rewards. No Jesus = Dead works and Hell

May 17, 2014 at 12:40 pm PST
#136  Ray Matlak - Quail Valley, California

On the subject of the afterlife, there is the story in Luke 16:19-31 where Jesus talks about the rich man and the beggar, Lazarus. The rich man was in the fire and torment of Hades whereas the Lazarus was carried by the angels to heaven. Jesus quotes Abraham as saying when speaking to the rich man "between us and you a great chasm has been set in place, so that those who want to go from here to you cannot, nor can anyone cross over from there to us." Personally, as a Catholic, I find this to be the clearest teaching on the afterlife.

May 19, 2014 at 4:06 am PST
#137  Dick Martin - Frazeysburg, Ohio

Ray; I agree; it's a good message. Question is Which side of the Great gulf will you end up on Heaven or Hell. Accepting Jesus into your life is your ticket Pass into Heaven. Catholics don't follow the BIBLE; they follow the Catechism (Man made Idea's about God.) You need a Heart Change. Who you are NOW can't get into Heaven; By accepting Jesus Substitutionary death ,He died in your place; you become a New creation in Christ. A creation who has never existed before. You're promised Everlasting Life and God won't remember your sin's ever again.

May 19, 2014 at 6:45 am PST
#138  Ray Matlak - Quail Valley, California

Dick, my response to you is that you do not know what I believe because we've never met and discussed anything. In addition, I know many Catholics that are Christians and follow the Bible. Let's not be painting with too broad a brush and saying "this class of people is unfit, or this denomination has it all together" because Jesus and the Bible itself would contradict us in taking such a position.

May 19, 2014 at 10:02 am PST
#139  Christopher Travis - Huntsville, Alabama

Ray, you will have to excuse Dick, he is stuck on thinking Catholics do not have Jesus in their hearts or profess Him to be our Savior. I would love for him to march his tail down to my parish and tell the God fearing parishoners they do not love Jesus, that would go over real well. Then maybe he could show his face at all the Catholic charities and inform them too. Then when he is done with that perhaps he could stop by some of the convents and monastaries where they do nothing but pray 24 hours a day and devout their whole lives to Christ and tell them they too don't love Jesus.

May 19, 2014 at 3:36 pm PST
#140  Dick Martin - Frazeysburg, Ohio

The Jehovah Wittiness Believe what there Books and material teach them and it takes precedence over the Bible. the Bible is the only truth that holds up under the toughest scrutiny. They call them selves Christians. They are very sincere about being right; but they are sincerely WRONG. It' the same with all the Cults. A cult is a religious organization that makes up their idea of How to get to Heaven. Some even teach that Jesus and Lucifer were Brothers and they were created Beings ;Of course they don't believe in the Trinity or the Virgin birth. Some don't have even the bASICS correct because it interferes with their false beliefs. You should get a copy of " Kingdom of the cults" book by Walter Martin. His Book was written in 1965 and is used all over the world. See where you line up. There are some Christians in all denominations. But it's like being a Muslim who says they are peace loving and some are terrorists but they all follow the same book (Koran) which teaches Terrorism to attain World dominance . If you believe in the Koran and say you peaceful your a liar. There is no such thing as a peaceful Muslim. When the time is right the will show there true colors. Cults can call themselves Christian but the proof is in the pudding. You have to be sure on this side. You have no more free will on the other Side. I would love to convince your Catholic friends. See Father Cedric Pisegna at Frcedric.org. Study his material. He has the Basics of being a Catholic Christian.

May 20, 2014 at 1:29 pm PST
#141  Christopher Travis - Huntsville, Alabama

Once again Dick you show why you are flawed in what you believe, or what you think you believe. Your theology is seriously flawed and your perception of what other faiths believe is just as bad. Jehovah's DO NOT call themselves Christians, and they do have a Bible, just happens to be a badly translated Bible. Something tells me your Bible is probably missing a few pages also.

May 21, 2014 at 5:25 am PST
#142  Dick Martin - Frazeysburg, Ohio

Banks teach their employees when hired about counterfeit money. they study the real ones; it makes it easier to recognize the fake bills. Jehovah witnesses think they are Christians (OH YES THE DO) And They follow after a Man and books that take preference over the Word of God. Books written by their own organization to prove their own Theology, History, archeology, prophesies , etc. . Show me one thing that we disagree on. Where my Theology is flawed? It won't agree with your Non-biblical books. you keep YO-YOing up and down not seeing the clear simple truth of the word of God. Something tells me you have too many pages in your Catechism.

May 21, 2014 at 7:28 am PST
#143  Christopher Travis - Huntsville, Alabama

That's really random about the bank Dick, but Ok what ever you say. I have a friend who is a JW and he disagrees with you, but I guess you know more about them than he does just like you know more about Catholicism than Catholics. Have you thought about a career in politics?

I keep yo yoing, Ok that's a bit strange too. I'm going to hell according to you and I'm yo yoing, my side hurts lol. I've had a long day and that really relieved my stress, thanks Dick.

I'm not sure what non biblical book you keep pestering about but your very lost and making uneducated guesses about people. You should really stop and think before you start accusing. You are squating and this is becoming a side show, there is no sense, logic, or anyone buying what you say.

You and I do see the Word of God different indeed. The difference is that you have no faith in early Christianity while I do. You will not accept the preaching of those who knew the Apostles, I do. You follow your own whims while I follow over two thousand years of Church teachings AND Scripture. You can keep up the shananigans as long as you want but this rock won't budge.

You have a Bible and believe it to be the Word of God but you have no real way of knowing that. Who wrote the Gospel of Luke? Who wrote the Gospel of Mark? They were not Apostles were they Dick? How do you know who wrote those Gospels and that it actually is the Word of God? Do you believe in Scripture alone? And please do not tell us you have the Holy Spirit and we do not, that is narrow and speaks of arrogance and self pride.

May 21, 2014 at 8:31 pm PST
#144  Christopher Travis - Huntsville, Alabama

And one more thing Dick, I'd rather have too many pages in my Catechism than not enough pages in my Bible.

May 21, 2014 at 8:34 pm PST
#145  Christopher Travis - Huntsville, Alabama

Dick is all hung up on the Catechism being man made writings. The Catechism explains our Catholic faith and no Catholic confuses it with Scripture, but rather an explanation of Church teachings. Church teachings are based on Scripture. What Dick is trying to say and make a fuss about is that we ought to reject the Catechism because it was written by men, on the other hand he wants us to accept his writings on here, which is also written by a man, Dick. Seems kind of hyprocritical doesn't it. Pot...meet kettle, kettle...meet pot.

May 22, 2014 at 4:39 am PST
#146  Dick Martin - Frazeysburg, Ohio

If you studied the Word of God and Believe it, You would see how perfect IT IS. I did not write to you about anything that was not Scripture. I can't help but share the God's truth. Your statement's cut off the limb your sitting on. Light has nothing to do with darkness. Yes we've called you Lord but I never knew you, depart from me. #144 This is your problem you have too many pages in your Catechism already. and you would rather have less of God's word. You are going too pay big time for that statement. Don't you know that you are held responsible for what you are teaching others. multiplied over and over.
James 3:5-6
Even so the tongue is a little member and boasts great things. See how great a forest a little fire kindles!
And the tongue is a fire, a world of iniquity. The tongue is so set among our members that it defiles the whole body, and sets on fire the course of nature; and it is set on fire by hell.

May 23, 2014 at 4:55 pm PST
#147  Christopher Travis - Huntsville, Alabama

How pure and Holy is the Word of God, when it is not seperated from the Church in which it flowed from. How confusing is the Word of God when seperated from the Bride, and the Head is cut off from the Body. The Tower of Babel once again rises from the ruins, but it is built on sand, an individual grain of sand and not on Rock. The breathtaking Word of God knocks down these new man made houses like they were houses of straw, for the Lord of all says this...

Psalm 127:1 " Unless the Lord builds the house they labor in vain those who build."

Only the Divine has the authority to build, judge, and be executioner of His one, holy and apostolic Church. Dick has judged Christ's Church, rendered his own verdict, acted as executioner, and built a new church, one not of appostolic succession. Your church will not stand Dick, just like the millions of others that have been built over the last 2000 years. The ONE TRUE CHURCH, the apostolic Catholic Church will remain for eternity because it has this promise from Her founder, our Lord...

Matthew 16:18 " And so I say to you, you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of the netherworld shall not prevail against it."

No matter how many negative posts you make against Her She will continue to be the beacon of Light set upon the hill for all to see. She will always overcome the darkness and remain until the end of time. She is built out of Love and built out of Rock, Her windows are spotless and Her Offering is purrer than any snow flake. Just like the morning dew fall, She covers the entire earth. She is there for sinners, and there for saints, She is there endlessly praying with out a single second of elapsed time of silence, and She is always there to extend Her hand to the least of thee. Every day, every hour, She calls us to the hevenly banquet, the feast of the Lamb of God, the Word made Flesh, ever so ready to feed and nourish our hungry souls. Faith, Hope, and Love are Her pillars, and Truth is Her way!!!

May 24, 2014 at 6:03 am PST
#148  Dick Martin - Frazeysburg, Ohio

Matthew 16:15-18
He said to them, “But who do you say that I am?”
Simon Peter answered and said, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.”
Jesus answered and said to him, “Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jonah, for flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but My Father who is in heaven.
And I also say to you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build My church, and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it. Jesus asked the Question to the disciples , But who do you say that I am? Any of the ones present could have answered. Peter got the revelation of the answer. Jesus answered , Only my Father in heaven revealed this to you. On this revelation I will build my Church. Which was not a building or organization. She's calling to a heavenly banquet those who have no assurance of eternal life. The Bible tells us that you can know you have eternal life. when you attend the banquet ,you will have no need to feel hungry or to be nourished and feed. Pure Truth is in the Bible, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit.

May 24, 2014 at 2:37 pm PST
#149  Christopher Travis - Huntsville, Alabama

Why do you change the words of scripture Dick, other than to flat out lie. Jesus did not say "upon this revelation I will build my church." Jesus said "upon this rock I will build my church." Anyone who is has an honest intellect, which you do not, would ask what rock and what authority. He had just renamed Simon to Peter, and sorry Dick, it wasn't because Jesus thought his name was corny, it was just as with Abram to Abraham, our God had a special role for Peter to fill. Then our Lord gave Peter the keys to the Kingdom of Heaven. If given the keys isn't a proclamation of authority then I don't know what is.

Next your going to tell me all the Apostles had this authority, to which I will reply, that's what we Catholics call the Magisterium, and yes, they have an authority you and I do not possess. I seem to recall that Jesus told them this, "Whoever listens to you listens to me. Whoever rejects you rejects me. And whoever rejects me rejects the one who sent me." You Dick do not listen and reject the authority established by Christ, the same authority that tells us which writtings were to be considered Scripture and which ones were not, the very Scripture you use against the authority that gave you Scripture to begin with.

Now about your narrow comment about the Church not being a building or orginization. Are you trying to say Christ did not want an organized Church but rather a disorganized Church? I hate it for you but the Bible isn't the Church established by Christ, it is a product of the Church, not the other way around. The Church established by Christ did indeed have authority to preach, to bind and to loose, to forgive sins, to ordain, it clearly had structure and was organized. Have you really convinced yourself that early Christian did not gather somewhere to hear the word of God and to break bread? If you are going to make such a statement then tell me what year you believe the Church introduced the idea of being organized and gathering to worship. This I've got to hear.

Matthew 18:15 ..."if a member refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church, and if the offender refuses to listen even to the church, let such a one be to you as a Gentile or a tax collector."

Ouch!!!!! To tell it requires words to be spoken. To who? THE CHURCH. Individuals could not resolve their disagreement, they needed something greater than themselves for the truth. Jesus did not say take your disagreement to Scripture alone, He point blank said TELL IT TO THE CHURCH, that means with your mouth. So which Church? The imaginary invisible unorganized Church, or the visible Church that could be found and that had the authority of Christ to bind and loose, the Church that was organized. Take note how Christ finishes this argument...if the offender refuses to LISTEN, that means using your ears Dick, then let such a one be as a Gentile or tax collector. It can not get any more plain and simple than that! The CHURCH has the authority, not individuals who disagree. The Apostles and the holy ones they appointed ran the Churches, and they were in accord with one another, the same body, mind, and Spirit, these are the same ones Christ spoke of when He said whoever refuses to hear you refuses to hear Me. Unorganized....phooey!!

The Church is the pillar and foundation of the truth. Hmm, would that be the non organized Church? Judging from the Scripture above the only conclussion is an organized Church. Once again the Church had to be physical in order to be found and to be able to hear, and the Church had to be physical in nature to render a verdict, a verdict that would come from the foundation and pillar of truth, THE CHURCH!

Dick, you might be able to fool yourself into thinking an organized Church never existed, but you can't fool history nor the founder of the Church. Even on the last day of His life he gathered His Church, the Apostles, and they had a liturgy, a ritual that had been in place since Moses. He did not abolish the Passover feast, He fulfilled it and passed it on to us when He gave the command "Do this in memory of me." Reading the Scriptures is great, actually hearing them and living them is heavenly. Christ is organized, and Christ gathers His flock for the Supper of the Lamb, sometimes in buildings and sometimes not in buildings in times of persecution. We will always gather, just like the angels and saints in heaven gather around the altar, either in plain sight or underground like the Catacombs. From the beginning of time our Lord never intended us to be isolated or unorganized in our worship of Him. He gathered his sheep and always had a feast, a celebration of life. Amen!

Time for me to go gather with my brothers and sisters and worship as one, in perfect harmony with those all around the world! Have a blessed day!!!

May 25, 2014 at 6:39 am PST
#150  Dick Martin - Frazeysburg, Ohio

The church was not founded on Peter. Rock = foundation = The Revelation. I know what the Scriptures say- Too bad you can't comprehend my Meaning of what Jesus was saying . There is only FIVE positions in the Church according to the Word of God and they are Apostles, Prophets, Evangelists, Pastors and Teachers. The Church received The Keyes and the Kingdom, not any one person with Dictatorship Authority. Matt. 18:15 you should have included Verses 16 and 17. Binding and loosing is going on in all Bible believing, born again, spirit filled Churches. Where any two or more who gathers together and agree with My will ,I will do it for you ; And I will be there with you. Jesus gave authority to all True Christians. Supper of the lamb has not taken place yet; but will in heaven not in buildings or in catacombs. Only those who have received Jesus God's Way. That's why Jesus is called the Way, the Door, the gate. The Great Commission is to Go to the World with the Good News. Do you Know what the Good News is? Not to be isolated or unorganized. I'd like to Hear your explanation of everything from just your heart. Well I have to Go Pray for your Conversion. Love in Jesus ..

May 25, 2014 at 5:20 pm PST
#151  Christopher Travis - Huntsville, Alabama

The name Peter= Rock. I care nothing of your interpretation, it is nothing more than your personal opinion. Your meaning is exactly that, YOUR MEANING. Why did Jesus rename Simon? Was it because He had nothing better to do? Why is Peter always listed first among the Apostles? St. Peter was equal just as Moses was, but that does not diminish their God given authority. Even Christ humbled Him self to be a servant to the Apostles when He washed their feet. Did that diminish the authority of Christ? And yes, the Church did receive the keys, so why do you oppose those keys? Thats exactly what I've been trying to tell you, the Church has authority, NOT YOU! You just admitted it but now you will deny it because you can not humble your self to accept the God given authority. It was my prayers that brought me back to the Catholic Church and I can assure you I am here to stay. Your prayers can not take me away from the Church founded by Christ. It isn't love when you pray for people to leave Christ's Church, it is nothing more than self centered pride! As a matter of fact, the more I debate you the more Catholic I become, my faith is increasing with every post, so thank you for showing me how not to be!

May 25, 2014 at 7:54 pm PST
#152  Dick Martin - Frazeysburg, Ohio

I care nothing of your interpretation because it fits your false doctrine. I oppose the Catholic Church saying you have the Keyes and you're the ones with authority of Christianity . Priest who do know what the Catholics are teaching across town. Popes who have had mistresses , gay lovers, illegitimate Children, authority that went to their Heads instead of their hearts. Selling trinkets and body parts thing that it will make a difference. Covering up scandals of clergy and moving them to another location. The church did receive the Keyes (authority) but it was to Peter and the followers of Jesus ; called Christians. PEOPLE- Believers, Born again . At your judgment ; Jesus will bring these statements to your memory. You have a free will to choose. Choose LIFE .Your welcome for me showing you how not to be - Being Catholic.

May 26, 2014 at 7:57 am PST
#153  Ged Narvaez - Daraga, Albay

Dick your being illogical. You can't form enough debatable basis, but then trying to demean or place argumentum ad hominem. Actually, you are not listening Dick. It is becoming more clear that you are only here to show your anger towards Catholic. That is very clear. You are in no way providing correctness. But when others tell you the truth in a good form with kindness and other innocent remarks, what will you do? You attack their character that are not apparent to others and you generally react with anger. We are also people of goodwill, that when we reach our temper we will tell you, because you provoke trouble not peace, and so you are quick to retaliate. This blog, because of bias post, is no longer a post for peace and agreements and truths, but your post of hatred. You generalize them all priest, thus you fall into fallacies. Brother, this is not about you, or about me, but this blog is for growth and nourishment. So, try to be more kind and specific. Telling others that he will be in hell or one is evil, does not help. Who are you to judge people's heart? Are you a bible? Certainly not. May God rebuke you! So please, with all humbleness, don't use fallacious statements, scorning or demeaning and generalization. Let us try to be more cautious and reasonable. Please..

May 26, 2014 at 8:38 pm PST
#154  Christopher Travis - Huntsville, Alabama

Nice post Ged, he is doing exactly what he intends to do, lash out at Catholics to make himself feel better. I must admit, I have not felt very charitable towards Dick at times, but by the end of the day I am over it, and I have apologized for my lack of patience and humility. What he fails to see is how much we love Christ and that we firmly believe that our Church is the mystical Body of Christ, therefore if someone hurls accusations, insults, and lies at Her (the Bride of Christ) then we feel they are doing so to Christ. For me personaly, my faith, my Catholic faith, is the basis and means to have a beautiful and heartfelt relationship with Christ. Who doesn't get offended or preturbed when others try and break up a relationship of such love? All the Sacraments have brought me closer to Christ and have healed many lifelong wounds that just reading Scripture alone could not have done.

I believe Dick is implying that we Catholics are not Christian and that we are a seperate sect. I also get the impression that he believes that just because a person sins that he can not be a legit part of the Church. I wonder if he would like to be face to face with the likes of Moses, Abraham, King David, St. Paul, St. Peter, and the many others in Scripture who sinned, and tell them their love for God and their God given authority couldn't be true because they were sinners. He can call them out on their sins of anger, pride, adultery, abandoment, murder, and much more. Maybe they should all be erased from Scripture since they were all sinners, right Dick? We only get a glance at some of their sins, how much more sin in their lives we will never know about, like the rest of us I am sure it was plenty. Who dares to be harsh or harbor feelings of hatred for any of these great men who played a part in the history of salvation? So why is it different if a Catholic sins?

May 27, 2014 at 6:30 am PST
#155  Dick Martin - Frazeysburg, Ohio

Jesus had to get angry with the money changers in the temple to get his point across. It didn't sound like it but He was offended that His Father's House was being desecrated. Jesus Died for all the sins of all the Sinners of the Past; all the old testament Saints who believed by faith that their sins would some day be blotted out by a Savior. God so LOVED THE WORLD He GAVE Jesus, that whosoever would believe in Him shall NOT perish but have Everlasting life. If your born Again Your sin are forgiven and paid for and you don't need to tell you sins to any one. If you have read Romans and believed what it says all you would have to do is thank Jesus for Dying in your place. the Born again believer is Sin Free. Dead to Sin.
Romans 8:1-2
There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit.
For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death.
Romans 6:10-11
For the death that He died, He died to sin once for all; but the life that He lives, He lives to God.
Likewise you also, reckon yourselves to be dead indeed to sin, but alive to God in Christ Jesus our Lord. Everything I am sharing is for all Readers. You should consider this also . Its the Word of God ,not my word as you accuse me of. Only Jesus played a Part in salvation . Everyone is a part of spreading the message. The Gospel is the Good news, 2 Corinthians 5:17-21
Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new.
Now all things are of God, who has reconciled us to Himself through Jesus Christ, and has given us the ministry of reconciliation,
that is, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not imputing their trespasses to them, and has committed to us the word of reconciliation.
Now then, we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God were pleading through us: we implore you on Christ’s behalf, be reconciled to God.
For He made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him. This is the Good News, Not Matt; Mark; Luke ;John .

May 27, 2014 at 11:10 am PST
#156  Christopher Travis - Huntsville, Alabama

Once again Dick you contridick Scripture by saying we do not have to confess our sins to anyone. St. James said otherwise. Your nonsense posts are about as useless as a screen door on a submarine.

May 27, 2014 at 7:50 pm PST
#157  Dick Martin - Frazeysburg, Ohio

Once AGAIN I stated in this my last Post of which you did not read and if you read it you don't believe it. Are you sins forgiven and paid for? Are you a Born Again; Do you know what happens to you when you are born Again? Do you know there is no condemnation if your in Christ Jesus? Do you know what being (Being in Christ Jesus ) means? Do you know what FREE from the law of Sin and Death means? Do you know what it means to Consider yourself to be Dead to Sin? Can you explain the meaning of " I am the Righteousness of God in Christ"? What does it mean to you when the scriptures say " I am a new creation in Christ Jesus?
1 John 3:8-9
He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has sinned from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil.
Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God.

May 28, 2014 at 9:20 am PST
#158  Christopher Travis - Huntsville, Alabama

I read what you posted, but your right, I do not believe anything you say because you are stuck in no where land repeating the same Scripture and ignoring the rest. Everything you say is inaccurate and based upon your own interpretation. Take for instance what you just said...

"Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God."

But why stop short of the full Gospel? Here is what you missed or ignored...

1 John 1:7-9 "But if we are living in the light, as God is in the light, then we have fellowship with each other, and the blood of Jesus, his Son, cleanses us from all sin. IF WE CLAIM WE HAVE NO SIN, WE ARE ONLY FOOLING OURSELVES AND NOT LIVING IN THE TRUTH."

IF WE CLAIM WE HAVE NO SIN, WE ARE ONLY FOOLING OURSELVES AND NOT LIVING IN THE TRUTH."

IF WE CLAIM WE HAVE NO SIN, WE ARE ONLY FOOLING OURSELVES AND NOT LIVING IN THE TRUTH."

You have also stated we do not have to confess our sins, but here is what the remainder of what St. John was saying...

"But if we confess our sins to him, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all wickedness."

So according to the holy Gospel of St. John you are not living in the truth, and you sure are not professing the truth by saying we do not have to repent.

I look forward to correcting your next post.

May 28, 2014 at 4:00 pm PST
#159  Dick Martin - Frazeysburg, Ohio

Every word is a quote from the bible. Is there a contradiction; is God confused? Did he have to much Wine for dinner? I could list 50+ scriptures that says Sin is in the World but to those who are born again are dead to Sin. Jesus took care of the SIN problem.
Romans 6:5-11
For if we have been united together in the likeness of His death, certainly we also shall be in the likeness of His resurrection,
knowing this, that our old man was crucified with Him, that the body of sin might be done away with, that we should no longer be slaves of sin.
For he who has died has been freed from sin.
Now if we died with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with Him,
knowing that Christ, having been raised from the dead, dies no more. Death no longer has dominion over Him.
For the death that He died, He died to sin once for all; but the life that He lives, He lives to God.
Likewise you also, reckon yourselves to be dead indeed to sin, but alive to God in Christ Jesus our Lord. When you are born again you become the righteousness of God In Christ. Sin is not applicable to those who are in Christ Jesus.
Romans 6:22-23
But now having been set free from sin, and having become slaves of God, you have your fruit to holiness, and the end, everlasting life.
For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord. When you correct my post you are correcting God himself.
Proverbs 4:20-23(NKJV)
My son, give attention to my words; Incline your ear to my sayings.
Do not let them depart from your eyes; Keep them in the midst of your heart;
For they are life to those who find them, And health to all their flesh.
Keep your heart with all diligence, For out of it spring the issues of life.

May 29, 2014 at 1:47 pm PST
#160  Christopher Travis - Huntsville, Alabama

No God is not confused, Dick is confused. No comment on John 1:7-9? Just squat on the verses that fit you theology?

Being set free from sin doesn't mean you don't sin any more, it means there is a way to deal with those sins...Jesus Christ. That is why St. John told us we must confess our sins to be cleansed from all wickedness.

May 30, 2014 at 4:07 am PST
#161  Dick Martin - Frazeysburg, Ohio

Romans 3:19-26(NKJV)
Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.
Therefore by the deeds of the law no flesh will be justified in His sight, for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
But now the righteousness of God apart from the law is revealed, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets,
even the righteousness of God, through faith in Jesus Christ, to all and on all who believe. For there is no difference;
for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus,
whom God set forth as a propitiation by His blood, through faith, to demonstrate His righteousness, because in His forbearance God had passed over the sins that were previously committed,
to demonstrate at the present time His righteousness, that He might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus. If you are under the Law then the Law speaks to you and you will be judged by the Law. Under the Law God will be a just Judge; giving to you what you have coming; "JUSTICE". The opposite of Being under the Law is being under Grace. Jesus covered everything that the Law can throw at you. Grace is God's righteousness accounted to your account. Then the Word says your judged already because we applied Jesus to our problem. Instead of receiving Justice I will receive MERCY. The apostle Paul received Revelation that we are dead to Sin.
Romans 6:5
For if we have been united together in the likeness of His death, certainly we also shall be in the likeness of His resurrection,
Romans 6:7-11
For he who has died has been freed from sin.
Now if we died with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with Him,
knowing that Christ, having been raised from the dead, dies no more. Death no longer has dominion over Him.
For the death that He died, He died to sin once for all; but the life that He lives, He lives to God.
Likewise you also, reckon yourselves to be dead indeed to sin, but alive to God in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Romans 6:22-23
But now having been set free from sin, and having become slaves of God, you have your fruit to holiness, and the end, everlasting life.
For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord. Sin is defined by the Law. Sin continues but it is not put to our account. If your in Christ you already have Eternal Life. Dead to Sin means "If your Dead - Dead people can't sin." Squating on verses of God's Word is saying what people say in relieving themselves. Not Good. Most all scripture is understandable. You can't go by one verse to prove it's meaning. There are some verses that are difficult to understand. If you have 10 verses that say the same thing and one that is opposite ; then it must apply to some other subject. It is 1st. John 1:7-9 not John of the Gospels your referring to. I know it's hard for no more time in scripture than you spend- finding your way around. 1st. John is about " FELLOWSHIP not Salvation. Look at the titles of the subject matter. If you believed the Scripture that talks about be safe and secure, having already been Promised Heaven ,being with Jesus , seated at His right Hand in Heavenly places you would not have to confess or Pray for the Dead, or pray to Mary and the Dead Saints ( If they are saints) Everyone who is Born Again is referred to as a Saint. You can lead a Holy life and be Dammed . You must have Jesus and have your Nature Changed.

May 30, 2014 at 8:07 am PST
#162  Christopher Travis - Huntsville, Alabama

1 John 1:7-9 "But if we are living in the light, as God is in the light, then we have fellowship with each other, and the blood of Jesus, his Son, cleanses us from all sin. IF WE CLAIM WE HAVE NO SIN, WE ARE ONLY FOOLING OURSELVES AND NOT LIVING IN THE TRUTH."

Amen.

May 30, 2014 at 4:34 pm PST
#163  Dick Martin - Frazeysburg, Ohio

# 161 blog says it all ; written by Paul to the Romans. And it still speaks to the ROMAN Catholics today. If you ignore it's message you can't understand how God plan is working today. If your not you are still living in the Dark Ages -- If we are living in the LIGHT, AS GOD IS.

June 1, 2014 at 11:24 am PST
#164  Ray Matlak - Quail Valley, California

Is it any wonder Jesus prayed "That they all may be one?"

June 2, 2014 at 4:26 am PST
#165  Dick Martin - Frazeysburg, Ohio

CAN'T- What does Darkness have to do with LIGHT. Were told not to be united with Darkness. Were to mingle with sinners so as to influence them leading to conversion and Eternal Life. I can give you and have given you instruction on how to receive Eternal Life Today. The Bible is God speaking to you and He says you can Know. Most people when they buy something, they try to put it together themselves and mess it up big time. Then they finally READ the INSTRUCTIONS Last. Duh.

June 3, 2014 at 3:13 pm PST
#166  Christopher Travis - Huntsville, Alabama

I do not think anyone wants your instructions Dick. Your posts have revealed self pride and not love and charity. You might love the Word of God, but you are not alone, we do too! The great thing about being a Catholic is that we also love the Church along with all of our family, past, present and future. We are connected through the Body of Christ, even though we are all over and many, we are one. I do not expect you to understand that since you act selfishly and arrogant, on the other hand my fellow brothers and sisters will understand my words perfectly clear, we have a communion that people like you can not destroy. So go ahead, tell us some more, like how we are in the dark while you walk in the light, tell us how we are ignorant of Scripture or that we never read it. Tell us more lies about how we do not accept Christ as our personal Lord and Savior and how you are the judge of all our hearts and intentions. The more you say the clearer this picture becomes.

June 5, 2014 at 5:30 am PST
#167  Dick Martin - Frazeysburg, Ohio

You reject that we can know we have everlasting Life. You reject the word Propitiation by adding the word BUT to it. You reject the word Righteousness by adding the word BUT also. What is the meaning behind the word Imputed in Romans? What does it mean when the scriptures say you are sealed? What does it mean when the scriptures say you are preserved? What is the correlation between Born of water and born of the flesh in the conversation Between Jesus and Nicodemus? Explain Jesus's death Only ONCE, FOREVER, FOR ALL. Explain purgatory in the light of Jesus's PERFECT sacrifice. You say the more I say the clearer the picture becomes. Thank you Jesus. I act selfishly because I know I am right but your not paying me anything for my time-- Sharing the Word of God; THE TRUTH. I am arrogant as it appears to you, but it's humility you see as I keep sharing truth and taking HITS from you. The word says that God will not remember my Sin ever again but without Jesus you will be Judged by your rejection of His Free gift.

June 5, 2014 at 9:26 am PST
#168  Christopher Travis - Huntsville, Alabama

You can play word games all you want Dick by asking questions such as you just asked. I can do that too and we could go round and round until our very last breath. Your only sharing your truth as you perceive it to be. No one on these blogs is buying what your trying to sale, all you are doing is acting uncharitable and alienating folks. I could explain all day long Christ's sacrifice, purgatory, and all other Christian doctrines such as the Holy Eucharist, but there is no use with you, you simply only see it one way, your way. If you want to use the Bible against the Church it is your free will, but I have free will and I choose to use the Bible with the Church. May God bless you Dick and I pray for your well being and peace.

June 5, 2014 at 3:27 pm PST
#169  Dick Martin - Frazeysburg, Ohio

Are you saying then that The Church takes president over the Word of God? This is what I've been sharing with you- the Word of God. You choose to use the Bible with the Church. No you Don't. You choose to ignore the truth of the Bible to Meet your man made Church theology.

June 6, 2014 at 9:17 am PST
#170  Christopher Travis - Huntsville, Alabama

No Dick I am saying the Word of God and the Church can not be separated, they are bound by the Divine authority of God. And yes I use the Bible with the Church because that is what Scripture tells me to do. I could list the Scripture verses but there is no need when dealing with someone unwilling to listen.

No where in Scripture does it say any thing about Scripture alone, otherwise there would be no need for a Church to begin with. Jesus obviously thought a Church was necessary because He is the one who founded it, gave it authority, and promised the gates of hell would never prevail over it.

I have a question for you...do you believe the Bible is the infallible Word of God, and if its not in the Bible then we shouldn't believe it? Can you answer that without diverting attention away from that question?

You say I ignore the truth of the Bible to meet my man made Church theology. God has always used man to deliver His theology to His people. Never has He used Scripture alone, and never has He put matters of religious authority and teaching in the hands of the laity.

June 6, 2014 at 1:01 pm PST
#171  Dick Martin - Frazeysburg, Ohio

Man's tradition is all right as long as it does not contradict Scripture. For instance one of many Catholic traditions that contradict scripture: # 841 The relationship the Church has with Muslims and because they believe in the same God as Christians do; they can attain Heaven. Devils believe in the same God as we do also. Muslims don't believe in the deity of Jesus, or the Trinity, or Jesus as Savior. The Church had to have ignored scripture completely to make a statement like that. the scriptures say that ONLY Jesus is the WAY, the truth, and Life, NO one comes to the Father but by Me. I AM the WAY, The DOOR, The GATE. Theology is not scripture, it is who Man thinks God is, and his M.O... Theology is changing all the time. It has to do with Maturing as man studies and receives revelation by the Holy Spirit. This is why there are Hidden things and mysteries in the Bible. Revelation is not always revealed in one Verse or Chapter but several to paint the full picture. Man has Absolute Authority and can Understanding all things revealed by the Holy Spirit. Gifts of the Holy Spirit given to man by God.

June 9, 2014 at 7:23 am PST
#172  Christopher Travis - Huntsville, Alabama

In other words the Catholic Church is doing what it suposed to do, leaving the judging to God. Being included in the plan for salvation is not the same as achieving it.

June 9, 2014 at 3:25 pm PST
#173  Dick Martin - Frazeysburg, Ohio

Scripture has made judgments already about many things such as Abortion, Homosexual relationships, The way to be saved, same sex marriages, what Jesus accomplished on the cross for us; in our place. We can read about what God has said about these things and agree with Him to help straighten out peoples live so they can achieve their destiny ( In Christ). You can achieve and be included in the plan of salvation at the same time during this life on Earth. The Word of God is Truth and when you agree with It you can make truthful statements or Judgments.
1 Corinthians 2:13-16
These things we also speak, not in words which man’s wisdom teaches but which the Holy Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
But he who is spiritual judges all things, yet he himself is rightly judged by no one.
For “who has known the mind of the Lord that he may instruct Him?” But we have the mind of Christ. .

June 10, 2014 at 8:30 am PST
#174  Josue Garcia - Takoma park, Maryland

This is incredibly just catholic church teaching. Nothing in scripture even says that there is a purgatory. I can not accept false interpretations in the bible especially since it only teaches about heaven or hell. I don't understand why Jesus never spoke about purgatory with His disciples if it was so important. The catholic church just as the bible teaches will come up with crazy interpretations like this and give you a sense of false hope as if there was a another chance. If any of this is true why in revelation does it teach that when the second coming arrives that the dead will rise first and the living will join him in the air? What about those in purgatory? What happened to them? Do they stay in limbo waiting for some kind of redemption? I don't know all of this seems like a rouse for me to do some kind of "works" to assure my salvation when Jesus has already promised it to me with the cross. I need not to do anything on my own accord for Jesus has already provided the garment of righteousness, I just have to believe and walk in all ten of His commandments. Just like in revelation where it says these are the endurance of the saints who keep the TEN commandments and the testimony of Jesus. So I can not see how purgatory can be scriptural just things made up by the catholic system. I can walk the rest of my days in joy knowing that the grave can not hold me for while I sleep in the grave, I can rest in joy in waiting for my savior to rise me up so I can join Him in the air and dwell with Him for a thousand years before coming back to judge the wicked. So if death can not hold me, then I don't need to fear death and must tell everyone of the good news of His sacrifice that he already provided a way for me into heaven and it is assured through Him only.

June 18, 2014 at 6:41 am PST
#175  Dick Martin - Frazeysburg, Ohio

Amen Brother. No Purgatory because Jesus paid it all. including all residue from sin ; as though sin had never happened. No works needed on your part to save yourself. Can't you just accept the Free and Loving Gift of Salvation? Josue; The bible says that when Born again Christians Die we are in the presence of the Lord. No sleeping in the Grave . During the Rapture (catching away) of the true followers of Jesus, our Spirits will return with him and be reunited with our Glorified Bodies , Immortal Bodies and those (Born- Again) who are alive on the earth will be caught up also to be with Him forever. You are Secure in Him.

June 18, 2014 at 9:55 am PST
#176  Tara Jones - Guyton, Georgia

It seems to me like purgatory is almost like a forge that removes any remaining impurities from a metal, making it stronger and more valuable. Is that right?

July 23, 2014 at 7:56 am PST
#177  Dick Martin - Frazeysburg, Ohio

Tara; When you ask Jesus to be your PERSONAL Savior; He does exactly that. The Bible say's ( the Word of GOD) God is completely satisfied or appeased with the sacrifice of Jesus's death to pay for your sins. look up ( propitiation) in the dictionary. See 1 John 2:2 .. The bible say's if you die in your sins;(no degree) you will surely eternally die. If you die " In Christ you shall live with Him in Heaven. SO sin is not the problem, the problem is you don't have Jesus living in you but if you have Jesus in you; you have been judged already and you will go directly into His Presents.
1 John 5:12-13
He who has the Son has life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have life.
These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life, and that you may continue to believe in the name of the Son of God. God bases your admission into Heaven not on your good works but because of who's you are. You belong to Jesus. Redeemed means to be bought back. Because of Adam's fall Satan became you Father. God was your previous Owner. Thru Jesus death you were purchased with a price or bought back (Redeemed). There is no need to believe in a fairy tale place like Purgatory). It does not exist.
Hebrews 9:15
And for this reason He is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance.
Hebrews 8:12
For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their lawless deeds I will remember no more.”

July 24, 2014 at 7:09 am PST
#178  Christopher Travis - Huntsville, Alabama

Oh boy, here we go again! Dick you are way off and do nothing but spout off your personal opinion.

July 24, 2014 at 3:47 pm PST
#179  Christopher Travis - Huntsville, Alabama

Oh boy, here we go again! Dick you are way off and do nothing but spout off your personal opinion.

July 24, 2014 at 3:47 pm PST
#180  Dick Martin - Frazeysburg, Ohio

Christopher: Go ahead and argue with the word of God. Every thing I stated is in agreement with Scripture. Question; Show me " my personal opinion"; and where I'm way off.

July 24, 2014 at 4:27 pm PST
#181  Tara Jones - Guyton, Georgia

Dick: None of that scripture answered my question. I wasn't asking if Purgatory was real, or biblical, I was just trying to understand what Catholics believed about it. The only thing you accomplished was to waste everyone's time.

By the way, if my understanding of Purgatory is correct, there is actually Protestant doctrine much to the same effect, commonly referred to as the Great White Throne Judgment, where the deeds of a man in his life are tried by fire, and he is either rewarded for his good (i.e. pleasing unto God) deeds, or left standing with nothing but his salvation and God's mercy, which is still more than any man deserves.

July 24, 2014 at 5:36 pm PST
#182  Dick Martin - Frazeysburg, Ohio

Tara; The bible states that when the word goes out it never comes back void, it accomplishes what it's sent out to do. Catholics believe that if your completely clean of sin you will go to heaven. They also say that you have some residue of sin left and you have to spend time in purgatory to burn it out before you can enter heaven. The bible says that you only have two destinies -Heaven if you are IN JESUS, and Hell if you don't. True Christians who have Believed and confessed Jesus is your personal Savior . They will Pass from Earth to Heaven with out Judgment. Then we will receive a Reward for the Good works we've done for the kingdom or a lesser Reward if we did less. Our eternal life will not be affected at all. Sorry for the mix up. These are all from the word of God. Different than what Catholics believe. Catholics don't know how to receive eternal life. They follow after what man thinks about God. we believe what God say's about himself. They think you are saved by your own righteous WORKS. Jesus died for the sins of the World but you have to acknowledge Him for your own personal Savoir.

July 25, 2014 at 7:37 am PST
#183  Christopher Travis - Huntsville, Alabama

Heb. 12:23 - the spirits of just men who died in godliness are "made" perfect.

They do not necessarily arrive perfect. They are made perfect after their death. But those in heaven are already perfect, and those in hell can no longer be made perfect. These spirits are in purgatory.

1 Cor. 3:15 – “if any man’s work is burned up, he will suffer loss, though he himself will be saved, but only as through fire.”

The phrase for "suffer loss" in the Greek is "zemiothesetai." The root word is "zemioo" which also refers to punishment. The construction “zemiothesetai” is used in Ex. 21:22 and Prov. 19:19 which refers to punishment (from the Hebrew “anash” meaning “punish” or “penalty”). Hence, this verse proves that there is an expiation of temporal punishment after our death, but the person is still saved. This cannot mean heaven (there is no punishment in heaven) and this cannot mean hell (the possibility of expiation no longer exists and the person is not saved).

July 25, 2014 at 2:40 pm PST
#184  Dick Martin - Frazeysburg, Ohio

Tara;
1 Corinthians 3:9-15
For we are God’s fellow workers; you are God’s field, you are God’s building.
According to the grace of God which was given to me, as a wise master builder I have laid the foundation, and another builds on it. But let each one take heed how he builds on it.
For no other foundation can anyone lay than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
Now if anyone builds on this foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw,
each one’s work will become clear; for the Day will declare it, because it will be revealed by fire; and the fire will test each one’s work, of what sort it is.
If anyone’s work which he has built on it endures, he will receive a reward.
If anyone’s work is burned, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire. This is the scripture that Catholics use to prove the existence of Purgatory. This is about life on earth as a Christian, fellow workers, God's field and were to build a building. The cornerstone is Jesus, the foundation stones are the teachings of the apostles. We are to build on that with Gold , silver, precious stones. The real things ; not wood, hay sticks. When your building is tested with FIRE, only the Gold, silver, precious stones will remain. Testing by Fire in the Scriptures always means persecution for being a Believer. This passage is talking about our Works after we're saved to receive a REWARD. If your works ( which has nothing to do with salvation)--JESUS SAVES --Works do not save. All this is what your to do in this life. The only thing that gets refined is your reward. ---In Jesus Dick.

July 25, 2014 at 2:59 pm PST
#185  Dick Martin - Frazeysburg, Ohio

Chris; You of all people from your past, know that we were made perfect thru the Great Exchange Our SIN for Jesus's Righteousness. We can never be justified by keeping the Law ( Our Works).
Ephesians 4:11-13
And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ:
Ephesians 4:24
And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.
Ephesians 4:30
And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
Ephesians 1:13-14
In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory. These scriptures explain our spirit's position when we are Born Again. We are as perfect ( In Christ) as the scriptures say we are. You must not be perfect as we are or you would believe it also. The church's ministry is perfecting the Already the Saints While on the Earth. We are created in true Righteousness and Holiness when Born again during this life. We are SEALED unto the day of Redemption. We are SEALED by the Holy Spirit ( God Himself) and the Earnest is our Down payment to be the guarantee of our inheritance. To suffer loss in this translation means LACK OF REWARD). See Wuest translation from the Greek New Testament .

July 26, 2014 at 8:05 am PST
#186  Christopher Travis - Huntsville, Alabama

Hebrews 12:23 ....and the assembly of the firstborn enrolled in heaven, and God the judge of all, and the spirits (our souls) just made perfect.

Can't wait for my spirit to be made perfect by the Judge of all when I go to heaven!!! My past "reversion" did not make me perfect, it opened my eyes to Christ and the realities of heaven and hell. Now that I know, I strive for that holliness in which no one can enter heaven without, and I am doing as St. Paul...working out my salvation with fear and trembling. I'm nowhere near fully sanctified but I'm growing every day, the Holy Spirit is at work in me and doing a fine job. And Dick, of course no one can be justified by Jewish law, only Christ can justify us and the Jews reject Christ as their Savior, that alone rules out Jewish law. Your like a broken record, no one said anything about works, we are talking about our souls being made perfect, and unfortunately you are not the judge of that, Hebrews 12:23 tells us who is The judge of all...GOD! Thanks but no thanks Dick for trying to judge what my soul needs, I will leave that to the Divine judge, not you, a weak fallible human being.

July 27, 2014 at 4:50 am PST
#187  Dick Martin - Frazeysburg, Ohio

Faith is on the line here; If you can't believe it you can't have it . Faith is believing what God says about who you are and your position He puts you in. When your Born Again you are a New creation IN Jesus. "IN" means that your spirit and God's Spirit become One. (See John 17:22,23.). Notice that we are made PERFECT at that time in our Faith walk. Faith is applicable while here on earth. If it meant Heaven our Faith would be sight. Faith is believing what you can't see. You are a Three part being. A. Spirit-This is who you are, created in the image of God. B. Soul -is your mind, intellect, emotions, feelings, conscience, etc. C. Body- the bible refers to it as your tent that you live in while on the Earth so you can Lay Hands on the sick, etc. We are not talking about our souls being made perfect as you think , it's our Spirits that are perfect when you accept Jesus (only) Not of works so no one can Boast. You believe that it's +++WORKS gets you into Heaven. Don't make me go back into your Past statements on how you believe. When you stand before God and He asks you what have you done that you may ENTER IN. If you ramble on about all you achievements, He will say depart from me. If God sees Jesus in your Place --well done- enter in. I am not trying to judge you. God is very narrow minded and He can be because he is RIGHT. He made the rules not the Catholic Church or Pope. People you care about you warn about coming DOOM.

July 27, 2014 at 2:45 pm PST
#188  Christopher Travis - Huntsville, Alabama

....yawn. none of us need you to tell us what faith is Dick.

July 27, 2014 at 6:41 pm PST
#189  Dick Martin - Frazeysburg, Ohio

YAWN - - Tells us a Lot - - Where your at. Know it all. - - can't be taught. What is your daffy- nition of FAITH ??? Probably different than God's answer.

July 27, 2014 at 7:20 pm PST
#190  Christopher Travis - Huntsville, Alabama

Peace be to you Dick, you should concern yourself with your own (daffy-nition?) definition of faith and not be so concerned where I'm at. Faith is like a mustard seed, it gets planted and it grows. Mine is still growing just like Jesus said it would do on fertile ground. The miracles keep a coming and I keep growing and learning. And if you think I'm a know it all...thank you for the compliment!!

July 30, 2014 at 2:18 pm PST
#191  Dick Martin - Frazeysburg, Ohio

Chris; I was just like you when I was 36 yrs. old. Raised in a Catholic Home , went to Catholic school, Would not have been swayed by Neighbors or friends, fellow workers, etc. But I was invited to a catholic prayer meeting in the basement of the Catholic school by the Principal of the school who was a Nun. I was always SEEKING a personal relationship with God. They provided a class about " Life in the Spirit". I became Born Again the bible way. You can still read the booklet from the class today. from Catholic books on line. Faith- see Hebrews 11:1 Is The evidence or substance of things HOPED for; or of things not seen. and if you believe you can speak them into your life. see Mark 11:23 If you say. This is a New Testament promise that you can apply. Thank you very much.

August 1, 2014 at 8:05 am PST
#192  Christopher Travis - Huntsville, Alabama

Dick, I appreciate what you say even though we disagree. You were never like me, believe me. You say you were seeking a personal relationship with Christ, I was doing the opposite. I was caught up in the secular world in a bad way. Then one night all hell broke loose, and when I say that, I mean it literally. I'm sure you have never experienced anything even close to what my wife and I went through, even three years later it isn't easy to talk about. You can have the floor and say what you want, I'm going to spend the next couple days reflecting on that moment and praising my Lord for what He did, and also all that He has done for us since. You will never understand what went on and you would never believe the miracles that have happened since that night. I'm a Catholic to the bone, today, tomorrow, and the rest of my life. Peace be to you, good night.

August 1, 2014 at 8:19 pm PST
#193  Dick Martin - Frazeysburg, Ohio

I learned from the beginning not to trust your feeling, your intellect, your emotions. The Bible is the only source of truth there is. Satan can and will use any thing associated with your (earthly) flesh or any thing that is common sense. Satan can appear as any one and convince you thru deception untrue thoughts and you will believe false ideas about God and how he operates. People believe every thing the church teaches because they have always belong (even the family tree). Your ancestry has always believed that way and it's handed down and it will continue to be unless you make a break yourself. Every one is jumping off the cliff to their doom. Even the Catholics have their own Bible (Douay Rheims) Version .. To the Bone is appropriate Should and could be of your Heart.

August 2, 2014 at 7:23 am PST
#194  Christopher Travis - Huntsville, Alabama

Dick, I do not wish to insult your intellegence, but think about what happened here. I was not headed to heaven, I was just the opposite, soaking up the secular good times. There would have been no need for satan to trick me, I was already right where he wanted me. There was zero inclusion of Christ in my life when hell came knocking. Why is it when you protestants give your life to Christ you give credit to God for calling you, but when we Catholics get a call from God, you always call it a trick of satan. Why can't you just be grateful for what God did for my wife and I and stop trying to muddy the path He has chosen for us.

And no, the Bible is not the only source of truth there is. If you read yours correctly you would see that. 1 Timothy 3:15 disagrees with you and so do I. Funny how you like to leave out how the NT was determined to be Scripture. Guess I can't blame you because it throws a monkey wrench into your theology.

Hope your day is going well and God bless you very much.

August 2, 2014 at 1:06 pm PST
#195  Dick Martin - Frazeysburg, Ohio

Chris: You correct Your right where Satan wants you and He's letting the Church keep you there. The tricks The devil uses is Lies ( The Father of Lies); and deception ( believing your on the right path); and the scriptures say " There is a WAY which seems right to man but the End is Destruction". God Does call us: 1- We are sanctified- meaning we are set apart.
Ephesians 1:4
According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will, If you believed this you could be Called and set apart, which includes being Holy and without blame. this is the difference between being Holy by you works- by what you do; and becoming Holy by WHO YOU ARE. Without blame, Righteous in His sight, seated already in Heavenly Places in Christ Jesus. When you are born Again you become Christ like.-- TITLE -- CHRISTIAN. Yes god calls us . This is what the holy Spirit is doing to the Unsaved- calling them out of darkness into His marvelous Light.

August 3, 2014 at 4:23 pm PST
#196  Christopher Travis - Huntsville, Alabama

Isaiah 5:20-21 “Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil, who change darkness into light, and light into darkness, who change bitter into sweet, and sweet into bitter! Woe to those who are wise in their own sight, and prudent in their own esteem!”

Right back at you!

You have a serious issue, a defect, a poisonous cup of pride, when you pretend that satan has power over God. Why must you try and spoil the good works and fruits of our Lord? Well, I guess Isaiah just answered that for me, you are wise in your own sight and prudent in your own esteem!

Dick, you do know that satan can not drive out satan, right? You will find that clearly stated by Jesus in the Gospel of St. Mark 3:23-26. You are making the same mistakes the Pharisees made, accusing the work of Christ as being the work of satan. You are saying satan answered my prayers and not God, you are saying the works of God are tricks of satan. I did not cry out to satan when the demonic attack occurred, I cried out to God, I was begging and praying fervently. Now then, meditate on this next Gospel passage….

Matthew 18:12-14 “What is your opinion? If a man has a hundred sheep and one of them goes astray, will he not leave the ninety-nine in the hills and go in search of the stray? And if he finds it, amen, I say to you, he rejoices more over it than over the ninety-nine that did not stray. In just the same way, it is not the will of your heavenly Father that one of these little ones be lost.”

Your will Dick is not the will of our heavenly Father. I had strayed, I admit it, and I take great comfort in the fact that the Shepherd came to get me when He heard my desperate cries. And as the parable above tells me, I do not rejoice alone!!! If you can not rejoice with God that isn’t my problem, it is yours!

August 4, 2014 at 7:07 am PST
#197  Christopher Travis - Huntsville, Alabama

This will probably be my last couple of posts to you for a while Dick. I really do not wish to spend my time responding to someone who fails to see the love of Christ in others regardless of their faith. The word Christian isn’t a title that anyone can claim, the real meaning is a way of life!

While you judge my miracles using your imagination to interpret Scripture however you see fit, I use the seven gifts of the Holy Spirit to verify that my miracles were from God, and not a trick of satan. If they do not produce all seven gifts they can not be real. The miracles I have received did produce wisdom, understanding, counsel, fortitude, knowledge, piety, and fear of the Lord. I could go into great detail about all of them but it would be to lengthy for this blog. Based on those alone my miracles were real.

On top of those seven gifts I also judge them with the qualities of Christ. Are they producing qualities that can be contributed only to Christ? That answer is yes, because satan is not the author of love! Some of the good fruits produced by the miracles I have received…fear of the Lord, faith, love, charity, compassion, sacrifice instead of greed, seeing Christ in everyone, daily prayer, making Christ the center of our family, a blessed marriage, love instead of lust, broken friendships restored with Christ now at the center of those friendships, fasting, meekness, mercy, a special love for the handicapped and underprivileged, a love for the homeless, a forgiveness for those who persecute or wrong me, no longer racist, no longer cursing like a sailor, the ability to see sin on TV and hear it in music, the love of all things sacred and holy….These are just a fraction of God’s good fruits through me as a result of the miracles I have received. I could go on for days, but I do not have to prove myself to you or anyone else, ONLY TO GOD! Your judgment means nothing, I only tell you these things out of compassion, I feel sorry for you that you desire to contribute Christ’s good works to tricks of satan.

Now then, one more post and I’m done with you for a while.

August 4, 2014 at 8:22 am PST
#198  Dick Martin - Frazeysburg, Ohio

Armstrongism considers themselves Christian and teach 95 % from the Bible. It's hard for novice to see the difference, and if they don't follow God's way-- It's like simple addition. 1+0 =0. They follow a man. and a beautiful magazine " The Plain Truth". and it's far from the plain truth; meantime millions are going to Hell. I am not judging them The Bible says it that's good enough for me. Christian Science: Neither Christian or scientific. same end results. Jehovah's Witness: Watchtower has authority over God's word. They follow a man also. Mormonism: They call them selves Christian but say that Jesus was a created Being and His Brother is Lucifer. They have their own Books. and teach that they will have their own Planet. Look up your Church and find out how many things are taught that are connected to Money. Things taught that are not in the Scriptures. See how many time there were warnings about Man- made Traditions. Following men and a book. (not Bible). You don't even know what the Gifts of the Spirit are. There is 9 not 7 on your list ?? There are 9 Fruits of the Spirit.
Ephesians 1:3-5
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath BLESSED US with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places IN CHRIST:
According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will. Promise to stand in faith on. Blessing only come to those who are one with Jesus.

August 4, 2014 at 11:59 am PST
#199  Christopher Travis - Huntsville, Alabama

Just like you always do Dick, avoid and divert. My personal witness and encounter with God is much more than any words you can ever speak. Your like Ed on the other blog, you give satan credit for the work of God. That's exactly what the Pharisees did to Jesus. Its nearing the end Dick, soon you will be talking to yourself.

August 5, 2014 at 9:48 pm PST
#200  Christopher Travis - Huntsville, Alabama

I listed seven gifts which can be found in Isaiah 11:2-3. Never did I say that was ALL the gifts of the Holy Spirit. Truth be told, there isn't some magical number of gifts from the Holy Spirit. I fully understand that God is God, and His gifts are infinate, not limited to Dick's understanding. I used the seven gifts to show how the miracles I received were not of satan, because satan has no power over the Holy Spirit. Instead of acknowledgement from you, you only give diversion and argument. Memorizing Scripture is not an automatic sign Christ is working through you, the fruit you bear will show the true Spirit of Christ. I praise our Lord for what He has done to me, and is doing with me, while you find ways to tarnish His works. Undermining Gods blessings...that's the man made tradition, that is not the works of the Holy Spirit but the work of Dicks arrogant pride.

August 6, 2014 at 4:32 am PST

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